<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">And to the person that stuck a screwdriver in a light socket in the sixth grade. Wow that may explain why my hair is still so wild<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 3/2/10, Atwood, Mark <I><atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>To: "'nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 2:03 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>The difference with the wall outlet is the 15amp breaker in the fuse box. Not to mention you're typically not soldering connectors to a live outlet like we do partially charged batteries. <BR><BR>My understanding is that F3C Heli has changed the rules to allow 12S packs, so maybe its not a concern. <BR><BR><BR>--------------------------<BR>Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: <A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>To: General pattern discussion <<A
href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent: Tue Mar 02 12:27:58 2010<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR><BR>Yes I saw that. I also remember seeing that less voltage could also be lethal. We've been exposed to higher voltages since we could crawl to a wall outlet. Higher voltages could probably be used safely. If the maximum voltage is originating in Europe I withdraw my original questions. <BR>Thanks<BR>Jim<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]On Behalf Of Bob Kane<BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:05 AM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR><BR>Mark Atwood touched on this earlier, it is likely tied to what is considered a potentially lethal voltage level of 42 volts.<BR><BR><BR>Bob Kane<BR><A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=getterflash@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</A><BR><BR><BR>--- On Tue, 3/2/10, J N Hiller <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jnhiller@earthlink.net" ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> From: J N Hiller <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jnhiller@earthlink.net" ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Max volts<BR>> To: "General pattern discussion" <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 11:07 AM<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I've been<BR>> following this discussion and have some<BR>> questions.<BR>><BR>> Why was a<BR>> voltage limit written into the rules? Is it international<BR>> or AMA only? What was<BR>> the thinking behind it? <BR>><BR>> Thanks<BR>><BR>><BR>> Jim<BR>> Hiller<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original<BR>> Message-----<BR>><BR>> From:<BR>> <A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>> [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]On Behalf Of Anthony Romano<BR>><BR>> Sent:<BR>> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:30<BR>> AM<BR>><BR>> To:<BR>> <A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><BR>> Subject: Re:<BR>> [NSRCA-discussion]<BR>> Max volts<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>> Keep<BR>> this line of<BR>> thinking in mind next time we talk about weight limits! Or<BR>> any other rules<BR>> proposal.<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>> Anthony<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>> > From: <A
href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=burtona@atmc.net" ymailto="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A><BR>><BR>> > To: <A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><BR>> > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:45:57 -0500<BR>><BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > OK, So I have a question. Is knowingly and<BR>> purposefully violating the<BR>> intent<BR>><BR>> > and letter of the rules to gain a performance<BR>> advantage called cheating?<BR>><BR>> > ....... Just asking!<BR>><BR>> > Dave Burton<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>><BR>> > From: <A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><BR>> > [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On<BR>> Behalf Of James<BR>> Oddino<BR>><BR>> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:16 PM<BR>><BR>> > To: General pattern discussion<BR>><BR>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > I have the functional concept that solves the rules<BR>> problem. Picture a 10S<BR>><BR>> > pack positive lead wired to the common of a switch<BR>> with two poles, a piece<BR>><BR>> > of wire connected from one pole to a pole on a second<BR>> two pole switch with<BR>><BR>> > its common connected to the ESC. Between the other two<BR>>
poles we place our<BR>><BR>> > 11th cell. When the 10S pack is above 37.5 volts the<BR>> 11th cell is bypassed<BR>><BR>> > and when it is below, like it will be during vertical<BR>> maneuvers late in<BR>><BR>> > flight, the 11th cell is put in series to boost the<BR>> voltage to up to 41.7<BR>><BR>> > volts. At no time is the voltage over the spec.<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > Having said that, I believe the 10S system provides<BR>> adequate power with<BR>> the<BR>><BR>> > right motor at all times of flight even if the voltage<BR>> drops to 35 volts.<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > Jim<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Bob Kane wrote:<BR>><BR>> ><BR>><BR>> > > Going higher and regulating down would be against<BR>> the rules, the max<BR>> volts<BR>><BR>> > is still limited to
42.56.<BR>><BR>> > ><BR>><BR>> > > Bob Kane<BR>><BR>> > > <A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=getterflash@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</A><BR>><BR>> > ><BR>><BR>> > ><BR>><BR>> > > --- On Mon, 3/1/10, krishlan fitzsimmons<BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>><BR>><BR>> > wrote:<BR>><BR>> > ><BR>><BR>> > >> From: krishlan fitzsimmons<BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com">homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com</A>><BR>><BR>> > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>><BR>> > >> To: <A
href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chad@f3acanada.org" ymailto="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">chad@f3acanada.org</A>, "General pattern<BR>> discussion"<BR>><BR>> > <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>><BR>> > >> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54 AM<BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >> Couldn't we go to a higher voltage and<BR>><BR>> > >> regulate it back down? A contstant 42.56v<BR>> would be nice!<BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >> Chris<BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> >
>><BR>><BR>> > >> From: Chad<BR>><BR>> > >> Northeast <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chad@f3acanada.org" ymailto="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">chad@f3acanada.org</A>><BR>><BR>> > >> To:<BR>><BR>> > >> <A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><BR>> > >> Sent: Sun,<BR>><BR>> > >> February 28, 2010 8:48:48 PM<BR>><BR>> > >> Subject: Re:<BR>><BR>> > >> [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts<BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >> You would be at about 50% capacity at 3.85<BR>> ish volts/cell<BR>><BR>> > >> (resting open circuit), so unless you up the<BR>> capacity you<BR>><BR>> > >> will have a pretty restricted flight
time.<BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >> Chad<BR>><BR>> > >><BR>><BR>> > >> On 10-02-28 9:25 PM, Ron Van Putte wrote:<BR>><BR>> > >>> That stirs a wild thought in my brain.<BR>> Fully<BR>><BR>> > >> charged packs don't stay at 4.2 volts per<BR>> cell very<BR>><BR>> > >> long. On the other hand, once the initial<BR>> charge<BR>><BR>> > >> voltage is burned off by a constant load, the<BR>> voltage loss<BR>><BR>> > >> curve "flattens out". What if you<BR>> put fully<BR>><BR>> > >> charged 6S and a 5S packs in series and<BR>> "burn them<BR>><BR>> > >> down" to 3.869 volts per cell (a total<BR>> of 42.56<BR>><BR>> > >> volts for an 11-cell pack) so they were legal<BR>> for<BR>><BR>> > >> use. Would the voltage of this depleted 11S<BR>> pack
be<BR>><BR>> > >> higher than a fully charged 10S pack at the<BR>> end of a typical<BR>><BR>> > >> flight? If the end-of-flight voltage might<BR>> be<BR>><BR>> > >> significantly higher for the 11S pack vice a<BR>> 10S pack, it<BR>><BR>> > >> would be worth investigating, even<BR>> considering the extra<BR>><BR>> > >> weight of the additional cell. Come on you<BR>> electronic<BR>><BR>> > >> gurus, show me where I'm wrong.<BR>><BR>> > >>><BR>><BR>> > >>> Ron Van Putte<BR>><BR>> > >>><BR>><BR>> > >>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:00 PM, James<BR>> Oddino wrote:<BR>><BR>> > >>><BR>><BR>> > >>>> What comes after ...? Does it specify<BR>> a load<BR>><BR>> > >> or any other conditions? Is it measured<BR>> during
the<BR>><BR>> > >> noise test and have a minimum value?<BR>><BR>> > >>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>> Just stirring the pot, Jim O<BR>><BR>> > >>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John<BR>> Fuqua wrote:<BR>><BR>> > >>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>>> No its not (assuming we are<BR>> talking RC<BR>><BR>> > >> Aerobatics). Try page RCA-2 para 4.1<BR>><BR>> > >>>>> which<BR>><BR>> > >> states "Electrically-powered model<BR>> aircraft are<BR>><BR>> > >> limited to a maximum<BR>><BR>> > >>>>> of 42.56 volts.."<BR>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>><BR>> > >>>>> From:<BR>> <A
href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>> [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<BR>><BR>> > >> On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte<BR>><BR>> > >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010<BR>> 7:07 PM<BR>><BR>> > >>>>> To: General pattern discussion<BR>><BR>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]<BR>> Max volts<BR>><BR>> > >>>>><BR>><BR>> > >>>>> It's in the general rules,<BR>> not in the R/C<BR>><BR>> > >> section.<BR>><BR>> >
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