<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>I believe in saving money as much as anyone but when it comes to the battery in my transmitter - uh, maybe it's worth a little extra to have something that you can count on. If the battery dies while you're flying - was it worth saving 50 - 60 dollars? How much is your plane worth? That would be like putting re-treaded tires on your new Mercedes.</DIV>
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<DIV>Most of the Chinese made clone stuff stuff is junk. I don't know about the "real" Sony packs - I've heard that they're petty good but I use the only the factory Futaba packs in my 12Z. I save money elsewhere. :)</DIV>
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<DIV>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 2/17/10, Earl Haury <I><ejhaury@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Earl Haury <ejhaury@comcast.net><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG<BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:00 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>FWIW, I disassembled both an old Futaba 14MZ TX pack and an "official" Sony <BR>pack purchased from Amazon. Both acquired about 3 years ago and service life <BR>was similar. Both contained the same Sony cells, there are circuit boards <BR>in the packs that are different - not surprising as they're for different <BR>applications. However, the circuit board assembly in the "Sony" pack was <BR>terrible - really sloppy component installation and soldering. My guess is <BR>that, although the pack appeared to be official "Sony", it was a copy and <BR>not something I really want in my TX.<BR><BR>Given the uncertainty of obtaining real Sony packs, I'll stick with the <BR>Futaba packs (everything in the one I disassembled was quality) and consider <BR>the $0.30 or so a flight a minor cost of participation.<BR><BR>Earl<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Jay Marshall" <<A
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lightfoot@sc.rr.com" ymailto="mailto:lightfoot@sc.rr.com">lightfoot@sc.rr.com</A>><BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <<A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:47 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG<BR><BR><BR>>I did the same thing for my laptop battery. Lasted two months. I don't buy<BR>> ebay batteries from China any more.<BR>><BR>> Jay Marshall<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>> [mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim<BR>> [Burlington]<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:09 AM<BR>> To: General pattern discussion<BR>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG<BR>><BR>> Just a heads up on the lithium ion batteries for the 12Z and 14MZ. I<BR>> recently picked up 3 for $20 a piece on E-Bay (from China). Came in the<BR>> original Sony packaging complete with little 'official' hologram. I<BR>> think with shipping it came to $22 a pack. WAY cheaper than Best Buy!<BR>><BR>> Tim Pascoe<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>> [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Ron Van<BR>> Putte<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:52 PM<BR>> To: General pattern discussion<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG<BR>><BR>> I have done mods on two 2-cell 2200 mah lipo packs (I removed the<BR>> heavy power leads and added a battery connector that plugs in) for my<BR>> Futaba 12 FG. The packs last forever and I have another in my<BR>> transmitter case if one gets low.<BR>><BR>> I also contacted Evan Chapkis at RCAccessory and he is coming out<BR>> with a 2-cell 2600 mah lipo pack which will plug right into a Futaba<BR>> 12 FG or the new Hitec
Aurora 9 2.4 GHz transmitter.<BR>><BR>> Ron Van Putte<BR>><BR>> On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:<BR>><BR>>> The 10C uses the same stick assemblies as the 9C did. The 12FG is<BR>>> step up in stick assemblies. Ball bearings and very smooth. Uses<BR>>> the same encoders as the 12Z and 14MZ No angle adjustments. The<BR>>> 12Z and 14MZ use the same sticks. adjustable angles (never used it<BR>>> myself) metal shafts instead of the plastic ones in the 12 FG.<BR>>> Otherwise pretty much the same. One other benifit to the Z radios<BR>>> is the lithium ion battery. Much easier to swap at the field,<BR>>> holds its charge, and you can buy a Sony replacement at Best Buy :)<BR>>> If you are buying new keep in mind that a used 12Z is usually less<BR>>> than a new 12FG<BR>>> Check Ebay (personal plug, I have one there now
:) )<BR>>> If money were no issue than I would get a 14MZ, If money is a<BR>>> concern and I wanted a new radio I would probably go for the FG.<BR>>> Stuart<BR>>><BR>>> On 2/16/2010 1:08 PM, Bob Richards wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thanks guys.<BR>>>><BR>>>> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me<BR>>>> to the 12Z is the "logic for switches". I think I used this<BR>>>> feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know if<BR>>>> it is something that I would ever really need.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the<BR>>>> sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well as<BR>>>> the lack of conditions.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Bob R.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <<A
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rob@koolsoft.com" ymailto="mailto:rob@koolsoft.com">rob@koolsoft.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> From: Robert L. Beaubien <<A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rob@koolsoft.com" ymailto="mailto:rob@koolsoft.com">rob@koolsoft.com</A>><BR>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG<BR>>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <<A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM<BR>>>><BR>>>> <!-- #yiv705898668 _filtered #yiv705898668 {font-family:"Cambria<BR>>>> Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv705898668 {font-<BR>>>> family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered<BR>>>> #yiv705898668
{font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}<BR>>>> #yiv705898668 #yiv705898668 p.MsoNormal, #yiv705898668<BR>>>> li.MsoNormal, #yiv705898668 div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-<BR>>>> bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",<BR>>>> "serif";} #yiv705898668 a:link, #yiv705898668 span.MsoHyperlink<BR>>>> {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv705898668 a:visited,<BR>>>> #yiv705898668 span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-<BR>>>> decoration:underline;} #yiv705898668 span.EmailStyle17 {font-<BR>>>> family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;}<BR>>>> #yiv705898668 .MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv705898668 {margin:<BR>>>> 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv705898668 div.Section1 {} --><BR>>>> I have the 12Z. Here are the major differences between them.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> 12Z has a metal
case, the 12FG has a plastic case.<BR>>>><BR>>>> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg<BR>>>> uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without<BR>>>> special (free) software from Futaba.<BR>>>><BR>>>> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.<BR>>>> Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z,<BR>>>> otherwise, get the 12FG. Virtually the same radio for a lot less.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> - Robert Beaubien<BR>>>><BR>>>> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster<BR>>>><BR>>>> -<BR>>>><BR>>>> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a<BR>>>> large number of electrons were terribly
inconvenienced."<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> From: <A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:nsrca-<BR>>>> <A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Bob Richards<BR>>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM<BR>>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here).<BR>>>> Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff<BR>>>> already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are<BR>>>> the differences,
why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will<BR>>>> be using for pattern and for IMAC.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Thanks in advance,<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Bob R.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<BR>>>><BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>>>> <A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>> <A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><BR>>>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion<BR>>>> mailing list <A
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