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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll have to take a closer look. Not
sure the extra $20 on Amazon would necessarily guarantee you don’t get a
clone either. True the batter isn’t necessarily the best place to save
money – it was just anther option. I’ll be doing closer inspections
before I fly them in a big plane, but for the foamies this winter, it’s a
great deal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Tim Pascoe <br>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Pavlick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 17, 2010
11:31 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I believe in saving money as much as anyone but when
it comes to the battery in my transmitter - uh, maybe it's worth a little
extra to have something that you can count on. If the battery dies while
you're flying - was it worth saving 50 - 60 dollars? How much is your plane
worth? That would be like putting re-treaded tires on your new Mercedes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Most of the Chinese made clone stuff stuff is
junk. I don't know about the "real" Sony packs - I've heard
that they're petty good but I use the only the factory Futaba packs in my
12Z. I save money elsewhere. :)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>John Pavlick<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 2/17/10, Earl Haury <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><ejhaury@comcast.net></span></i></span></b>
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From: Earl Haury <ejhaury@comcast.net><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:00 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>FWIW, I disassembled both an old Futaba 14MZ TX pack
and an "official" Sony <br>
pack purchased from Amazon. Both acquired about 3 years ago and service life <br>
was similar. Both contained the same Sony cells, there are circuit
boards <br>
in the packs that are different - not surprising as they're for different <br>
applications. However, the circuit board assembly in the "Sony"
pack was <br>
terrible - really sloppy component installation and soldering. My guess is <br>
that, although the pack appeared to be official "Sony", it was a
copy and <br>
not something I really want in my TX.<br>
<br>
Given the uncertainty of obtaining real Sony packs, I'll stick with the <br>
Futaba packs (everything in the one I disassembled was quality) and consider <br>
the $0.30 or so a flight a minor cost of participation.<br>
<br>
Earl<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Jay Marshall" <<a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lightfoot@sc.rr.com"
ymailto="mailto:lightfoot@sc.rr.com">lightfoot@sc.rr.com</a>><br>
To: "'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'"
<<a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:47 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG<br>
<br>
<br>
>I did the same thing for my laptop battery. Lasted two months. I don't
buy<br>
> ebay batteries from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>
any more.<br>
><br>
> Jay Marshall<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
> [mailto:<a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim<br>
> [<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Burlington</st1:place></st1:City>]<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:09 AM<br>
> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG<br>
><br>
> Just a heads up on the lithium ion batteries for the 12Z and 14MZ. I<br>
> recently picked up 3 for $20 a piece on E-Bay (from <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>). Came
in the<br>
> original Sony packaging complete with little 'official' hologram. I<br>
> think with shipping it came to $22 a pack. WAY cheaper than Best Buy!<br>
><br>
> Tim Pascoe<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
> [mailto:<a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Ron Van<br>
> Putte<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:52 PM<br>
> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG<br>
><br>
> I have done mods on two 2-cell 2200 mah lipo packs (I removed the<br>
> heavy power leads and added a battery connector that plugs in) for my<br>
> Futaba 12 FG. The packs last forever and I have another in my<br>
> transmitter case if one gets low.<br>
><br>
> I also contacted Evan Chapkis at RCAccessory and he is coming out<br>
> with a 2-cell 2600 mah lipo pack which will plug right into a Futaba<br>
> 12 FG or the new Hitec Aurora 9 2.4 GHz transmitter.<br>
><br>
> Ron Van Putte<br>
><br>
> On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:<br>
><br>
>> The 10C uses the same stick assemblies as the 9C did. The 12FG
is<br>
>> step up in stick assemblies. Ball bearings and very
smooth. Uses<br>
>> the same encoders as the 12Z and 14MZ No angle
adjustments. The<br>
>> 12Z and 14MZ use the same sticks. adjustable angles (never
used it<br>
>> myself) metal shafts instead of the plastic ones in the 12 FG.<br>
>> Otherwise pretty much the same. One other benifit to the Z
radios<br>
>> is the lithium ion battery. Much easier to swap at the field,<br>
>> holds its charge, and you can buy a Sony replacement at Best Buy :)<br>
>> If you are buying new keep in mind that a used 12Z is usually less<br>
>> than a new 12FG<br>
>> Check Ebay (personal plug, I have one there now :) )<br>
>> If money were no issue than I would get a 14MZ, If money is a<br>
>> concern and I wanted a new radio I would probably go for the FG.<br>
>> Stuart<br>
>><br>
>> On 2/16/2010 1:08 PM, Bob Richards wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks guys.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me<br>
>>> to the 12Z is the "logic for switches". I think
I used this<br>
>>> feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know
if<br>
>>> it is something that I would ever really need.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the<br>
>>> sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well
as<br>
>>> the lack of conditions.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Bob R.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <<a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rob@koolsoft.com"
ymailto="mailto:rob@koolsoft.com">rob@koolsoft.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> From: Robert L. Beaubien <<a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rob@koolsoft.com"
ymailto="mailto:rob@koolsoft.com">rob@koolsoft.com</a>><br>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG<br>
>>> To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<<a
href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
>>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM<br>
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>>> I have the 12Z. Here are the major differences between
them.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> 12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the
12Fg<br>
>>> uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without<br>
>>> special (free) software from Futaba.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the
14MZ)<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.<br>
>>> Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z,<br>
>>> otherwise, get the 12FG. Virtually the same radio for a
lot less.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> - Robert Beaubien<br>
>>><br>
>>> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster<br>
>>><br>
>>> -<br>
>>><br>
>>> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message,
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>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> From: <a
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On Behalf Of Bob Richards<br>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM<br>
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<br>
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here).<br>
>>> Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff<br>
>>> already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are<br>
>>> the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will<br>
>>> be using for pattern and for IMAC.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks in advance,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Bob R.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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