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Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over
the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5
kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed empty
with a tolerance of 1%.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
Bob Kane wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft. It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum.
Bob Kane
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a>
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net"><vanputte@cox.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">From: Ronald Van Putte <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net"><vanputte@cox.net></a>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mklein25@roadrunner.com">mklein25@roadrunner.com</a>, "General pattern discussion" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
you whippersnackers might be able
to beat me. Most are afraid to find out, because
being whipped in a
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
design action
on your large hamster charging wheel project.
Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
change
long enough yet?
RVP
On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mklein25@roadrunner.com">mklein25@roadrunner.com</a>
wrote:
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<pre wrap="">That's great news Tony! Given my Jewish
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<pre wrap="">heritage, I have been
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<pre wrap="">trying to find a less expensive way to charge
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<pre wrap="">batteries. I have
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<pre wrap="">been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
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<pre wrap="">power, but have
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<pre wrap="">been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
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<pre wrap="">Looks like RVP is my man! Lord knows my fat self
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<pre wrap="">wouldn't get but
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Give RVP his due. That man is fit as a
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<pre wrap="">fiddle. I sure as heck am
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<pre wrap="">not going to take him up on his challenge.
RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
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<pre wrap="">comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com"><tony@radiosouthrc.com></a>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
To: 'General pattern discussion'<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
No, RVP is a Marathoner..... I wouldn't
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<pre wrap="">challenge him!
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Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA 31525
1-800-962-7802
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<pre wrap="">On Behalf Of
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<pre wrap="">Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
Careful guys... he's probably setting us up. He
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<pre wrap="">probably knows a
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having seen that path before there was dirt...
Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
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<pre wrap="">Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax:
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<pre wrap="">On Behalf Of Ron
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<pre wrap="">Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
Any participants in this discussion who comment
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<pre wrap="">negatively on RVP's
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<pre wrap="">ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
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<pre wrap="">challenged to a foot
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<pre wrap="">race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
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<pre wrap="">trailer and back.
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<pre wrap="">RVP
On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.
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<pre wrap="">Couldn't figure it
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<pre wrap="">about RVP?
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Ed Alt wrote:
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Argh - replied to the wrong message -
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<pre wrap="">sorry!
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<pre wrap="">From: Ed Alt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
Something that old is filled with dried up
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<pre wrap="">From: Gene Maurice
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
John,
401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
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<pre wrap="">anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
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<pre wrap="">you to "Name" the
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Currently the key to the schedules is the
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Every release of PACSS has included a file
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<pre wrap="">I will do
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<pre wrap="">everything I can to preserve any custom data.
Hope this helps.....
Gene Maurice
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a>
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
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<pre wrap="">On Behalf Of John Gayer
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<pre wrap="">Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
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<pre wrap="">FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
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<pre wrap="">Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
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<pre wrap="">I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
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<pre wrap="">be used to input the schedules for any
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<pre wrap="">contest, foreign or
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<pre wrap="">domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
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<pre wrap="">up to date and send
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<pre wrap="">you the file for inclusion in updates.
Here's the url for the current British
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<pre wrap="">patterns: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://">http://</a>
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John
Gene Maurice wrote:
Phil,
You CAN add / maintain your own
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<pre wrap="">schedules. "System Maintenance"
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<pre wrap="">tab, "Schedules" button.
Gene Maurice
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a>
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
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<pre wrap="">On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
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<pre wrap="">Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
Happy New Year, Gene!!!
The SPA schedule will remain the same for
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<pre wrap="">send the new patterns to
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<pre wrap="">you. How 'bout just making an app to let
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We sure do appreciate the work you do on
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<pre wrap="">PACSS!!! I believe it is
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<pre wrap="">THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
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<pre wrap="">the Southeast...
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All PACSS Users,
I am in the process of making a number
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<pre wrap="">Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
Gene Maurice
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">gene.maurice@sgmservice.com</a>
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
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