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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Several top-notch flyers seem to feel that they can
get a more reliable idle with 30%, I have been advised. Exactly what the
problem was with their engine idle before using the higher nitro, I have no
idea.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As the article referred to in another communication
demonstrates, it is necessary to carefuly tailor the compression ratio of the
engine to take advantage of the nitro's characteristics, without accidentally
running into detonation, or, in some cases, overly slow combustion which, in the
case of a blown fuel engine, is guaranteed to take off the blower and blower
manifold. Suddenly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Also, let me state that I've onlly been talking
about the small experiments that I have been making; my sampling is probably too
small to mean anything to anybody else but me. I have, however, been
answering some of my long-held questions. Fun playing around with this
stuff off-season.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Atwood,
Mark</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 14, 2009 8:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gas vs
Alcohol (was Newslist is flawed)</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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curious Bill, knowing virtually nothing about any of these chemical
properties, if most of us don’t run the higher nitro primarily to improve low
end idle, and transition characteristics, rather than top end
RPM. That seems to be where the real difference is between
20% and 30%, though an added 100-150RPM can be a HUGE difference on a 90deg
day…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 14, 2009 5:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gas vs Alcohol
(was Newslist is flawed)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Assuredly, it's not a direct trade-off; Stochiometric is
different for the different fuels, of course. And the fact remains that
running pure methanol will provide approximately 15% more horsepower for the
fuel burned, which, again, is about twice that required for gasoline.
What it amounts to is that gasoline is the most efficient of the three
substances, but, in our case, I will admit readily that efficiency is far down
the list of requirements. I have been running some tests, (of which the
sampling is small, admittedly) and I was surprised at the small rpm difference
between 15% standard Morgan Cool Power, and 30% Heli. If you need, or
can discern, the small difference involved, then of course it justifies the
use of the 30% stuff. In my case, it doesn't seem to justify the
usage. When one mixes in the Latent Heat of Vaporization, the waters are
muddied even more, but it probably is of small concern in engines the size of
ours, due to the small swept volume, and the variation of conditions having to
do with cooling, both external and internal.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bill Glaze<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, December
14, 2009 5:08 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Gas vs Alcohol (was Newslist is
flawed)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bill,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The heat energy per unit has little to do with the
power we get from an internal combustion engine. The limiting factor
is how much air we can get into the engine. Each fuel has an optimum
ratio to be mixed with the amount of air that enters the engine.
Gasoline burns the leanest. Methanol burns much richer, so more fuel
goes into the engine per stroke. Nitro is even richer.
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I've also read that nitro expands to a much larger
volume when it burns, even though it puts out less heat per unit than
methanol, which is one reason why nitro by itself puts out much more
power than methanol. I may open a can of worms when I say this, but it
has been my experience in both pattern planes and helicopters that
higher nitro makes the engine run cooler. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Think about it, methanol puts out less heat per
unit, but develops more power than gasoline. Gasoline engines must
have larger cooling fins, even though less power is being developed.
Gasoline burns so lean compared to methanol, this is the reason why
gasoline carbs are more complicated than alcohol carbs. Add nitro,
then the needle must be opened more and becomes less sensitive. This
may be an over-simplistic explanation because the thermodynamics are
vastly different (methanol provides a lot of internal cooling as it
atomizes) but it works for me. :-)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/14/09, Bill Glaze
<I><billglaze@bellsouth.net></I></B> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>From: Bill Glaze
<billglaze@bellsouth.net><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
This email list is flawed in my opinion.<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:28 PM<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The
specific heat generated by gasoline is about twice the specific heat
generated by alcohol, which, in turn is about twice the specific
heat generated by nitro. In other words, on a mass basis,
nitro is a more inefficient fuel on a pure basis than alcohol, which
is less efficient than gasoline. (from a volume/efficiency
standpoint)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Or so my
handbook stated when I was building competition engines. Then
why use nitro at all? Well, because it generates more O2 than
it needs to burn, thereby helping the other "combustibles" complete
their combustion, and it's possible to run a hellacious load of
nitro per cycle because of it's burn
characteristics.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bill
Glaze</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=vicenterc@comcast.net
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vicenterc@comcast.net"
target=_blank>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>General pattern discussion</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:48 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] This email list is flawed in my
opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Matt,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">It will be
very interesting to see your results. I had the chance to
build and fly the Abbra with ZDZ 40. I was able to comparare
the same plane with OS160 back-to-back. Clearly the ZDZ 40
was behind in power (or power-to-weight ratio) when
compared with the OS 160 when doing the Master schedule of that
time. I am sure that less fuel consumption with less
BTU content means less power. The Abbra with the ZDZ 40
was ~3-4 oz over 11 lbs. The OS 160 Abbra was 9.8
lbs. I am not sure now what the new gasoline engines
manufactures are doing to increase the power. I believe that
an improvement in the design of gas engines is required to make it
usable for pattern. <BR><BR>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From:
rcmaster199@aol.com<BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Sent: Saturday, December 12,
2009 10:46:09 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] This email list is flawed in my
opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yes
that's true. When I was mixing my fuel I needed to do it by volume
until I figgered what the volume weighed for each of the nitro
blends I was mixing..... 30% nitro is around 10% denser (weighs
around 10% more for a tankful) than 15% nitro.
<BR><BR>Soooo....the guys who are running the YS not only use much
larger tanks but their tanks weigh more when full than they would
have running lower nitro. But YS is a dawg on lower nitro. You
gotta admire YS Marketing strategy<BR><BR>Yet another reason I am
looking into gasoline powerplants for pattern. Gas is
significantly less dense than 30% nitro blend and gas engines
demand less fuel to begin with. A 320 cc tank (around 11 ozs) will
run the 30 cc engine for around 12 minutes, enough for about 1 2/3
master schedules.<BR><BR><BR><BR>MattK<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Verne Koester
<verne@twmi.rr.com><BR>To: 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sat, Dec 12,
2009 11:24 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] This email list
is flawed in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 16pt">The
weight of fuel is going to depend in large part on the percentage
of nitro. Nitro is the heaviest component. Don’t believe it? Go to
the hobby shop and pick up a gallon of 5% with one hand and 30%
with the other, preferably from the same manufacturer. You’ll be
surprised. I know I was when a fuel manufacturer showed me at
Toledo about twenty years ago. Fortunately, pilots with glow
planes are weighed without the fuel so they don’t have to worry
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill's Email<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday,
December 12, 2009 8:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] This email
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just weighed a gallon of fuel I have here. It was 7.8 pounds
including the plastic jig. 0.75 ounces per fluid ounce would mean
the jug weighs +/- 29 ounces (1.8 pounds).
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