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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And not being a chemist myself, but having
learned bits and pieces along the way, and done a lot of testing……<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For the most part, reducing oil content
requires an increase in compression to realize more power (assuming the engine
was not over compressed to start with). Increasing nitro requires a reduction
in compression to realize more power (assuming the engine was not under
compressed to start with). So adding nitro to an under compressed engine can
generate a lot more power as the nitro blend will make more power and the compression
of the engine is being optimized.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Combustion chamber shape, porting, and
exhaust system also influence what fuel blend will be the best. Always best to
start with manufacturers recommendations, and then experiment gradually from
there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Atwood, Mark<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 14, 2009
8:43 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gas vs Alcohol (was Newslist is flawed)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I’m curious Bill,
knowing virtually nothing about any of these chemical properties, if most of us
don’t run the higher nitro primarily to improve low end idle, and transition
characteristics, rather than top end RPM. That seems to be where
the real difference is between 20% and 30%, though an added 100-150RPM can be a
HUGE difference on a 90deg day…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>-Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bill Glaze<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 14, 2009
5:26 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Gas vs Alcohol (was Newslist is flawed)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Assuredly, it's not a direct trade-off; Stochiometric is different for
the different fuels, of course. And the fact remains that running pure
methanol will provide approximately 15% more horsepower for the fuel burned,
which, again, is about twice that required for gasoline. What it amounts
to is that gasoline is the most efficient of the three substances, but, in our
case, I will admit readily that efficiency is far down the list of
requirements. I have been running some tests, (of which the sampling is
small, admittedly) and I was surprised at the small rpm difference between 15%
standard Morgan Cool Power, and 30% Heli. If you need, or can discern,
the small difference involved, then of course it justifies the use of the 30%
stuff. In my case, it doesn't seem to justify the usage. When one
mixes in the Latent Heat of Vaporization, the waters are muddied even more, but
it probably is of small concern in engines the size of ours, due to the small
swept volume, and the variation of conditions having to do with cooling, both
external and internal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Bill Glaze<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" title="bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday, December
14, 2009 5:08 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Gas vs Alcohol (was Newslist is flawed)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The heat energy per unit has little to do with the
power we get from an internal combustion engine. The limiting factor is how
much air we can get into the engine. Each fuel has an optimum ratio to be
mixed with the amount of air that enters the engine. Gasoline burns the
leanest. Methanol burns much richer, so more fuel goes into the engine per
stroke. Nitro is even richer. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I've also read that nitro expands to a much larger
volume when it burns, even though it puts out less heat per unit than
methanol, which is one reason why nitro by itself puts out much more power
than methanol. I may open a can of worms when I say this, but it has been my
experience in both pattern planes and helicopters that higher nitro makes the
engine run cooler. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Think about it, methanol puts out less heat per
unit, but develops more power than gasoline. Gasoline engines must have
larger cooling fins, even though less power is being developed. Gasoline
burns so lean compared to methanol, this is the reason why gasoline carbs are
more complicated than alcohol carbs. Add nitro, then the needle must be
opened more and becomes less sensitive. This may be an over-simplistic
explanation because the thermodynamics are vastly different (methanol
provides a lot of internal cooling as it atomizes) but it works for me. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Mon, 12/14/09, Bill Glaze <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><billglaze@bellsouth.net></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
From: Bill Glaze <billglaze@bellsouth.net><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] This email list is flawed in my opinion.<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:28 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The specific heat generated by gasoline is about twice the
specific heat generated by alcohol, which, in turn is about twice the
specific heat generated by nitro. In other words, on a mass basis,
nitro is a more inefficient fuel on a pure basis than alcohol, which is less
efficient than gasoline. (from a volume/efficiency standpoint)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Or so my handbook stated when I was building competition
engines. Then why use nitro at all? Well, because it generates
more O2 than it needs to burn, thereby helping the other
"combustibles" complete their combustion, and it's possible to run
a hellacious load of nitro per cycle because of it's burn characteristics.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vicenterc@comcast.net"
target="_blank" title="vicenterc@comcast.net">Vicente "Vince"
Bortone</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday, December
13, 2009 8:48 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] This email list is flawed in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Matt,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It
will be very interesting to see your results. I had the chance to build
and fly the Abbra with ZDZ 40. I was able to comparare the same plane
with OS160 back-to-back. Clearly the ZDZ 40 was behind in power
(or power-to-weight ratio) when compared with the OS 160 when doing the
Master schedule of that time. I am sure that less fuel consumption
with less BTU content means less power. The Abbra with the ZDZ 40
was ~3-4 oz over 11 lbs. The OS 160 Abbra was 9.8 lbs. I am
not sure now what the new gasoline engines manufactures are doing to increase
the power. I believe that an improvement in the design of gas engines
is required to make it usable for pattern. <br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: rcmaster199@aol.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:46:09 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] This email list is flawed in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Yes that's true. When
I was mixing my fuel I needed to do it by volume until I figgered what the
volume weighed for each of the nitro blends I was mixing..... 30% nitro is
around 10% denser (weighs around 10% more for a tankful) than 15% nitro. <br>
<br>
Soooo....the guys who are running the YS not only use much larger tanks but
their tanks weigh more when full than they would have running lower nitro.
But YS is a dawg on lower nitro. You gotta admire YS Marketing strategy<br>
<br>
Yet another reason I am looking into gasoline powerplants for pattern. Gas is
significantly less dense than 30% nitro blend and gas engines demand less
fuel to begin with. A 320 cc tank (around 11 ozs) will run the 30 cc engine
for around 12 minutes, enough for about 1 2/3 master schedules.<br>
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MattK<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Verne Koester <verne@twmi.rr.com><br>
To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 11:24 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] This email list is flawed in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=5 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>The weight of fuel
is going to depend in large part on the percentage of nitro. Nitro is the
heaviest component. Don’t believe it? Go to the hobby shop and pick up a
gallon of 5% with one hand and 30% with the other, preferably from the same
manufacturer. You’ll be surprised. I know I was when a fuel manufacturer
showed me at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Toledo</st1:place></st1:City>
about twenty years ago. Fortunately, pilots with glow planes are weighed
without the fuel so they don’t have to worry about that…</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Verne</span></font><font
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Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font></a>
[<a
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target="_blank"><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></font></a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bill's Email<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 12,
2009 8:16 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
This email list is flawed in my opinion.</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>About 0.75 oz per
fluid oz.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<br>
I just weighed a gallon of fuel I have here. It was 7.8 pounds including the
plastic jig. 0.75 ounces per fluid ounce would mean the jug weighs +/- 29
ounces (1.8 pounds). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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