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<div>One thing I can say about the 30cc gasoline engine I am using (Syssa Aircraft Performance) is that it turns a 19x10 Xoar wood/carbon laminated prop at very useful speed for pattern. It was cold when I ran it Saturday so it is probably more than we would get in mid summer, but it is very encouraging. It would fly an 11 pounder with great authority.</div>
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<div>I also ran the 19x8 Xoar wood/carbon laminate which produced scary power on the ground. Too many r's and probably too noisy.</div>
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<div>I am still learning how to run the powerplant so I expect some changes to my set-up over time.</div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:48 AM</div>
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<div>It will be very interesting to see your results. I had the chance to build and fly the Abbra with ZDZ 40. I was able to comparare the same plane with OS160 back-to-back. Clearly the ZDZ 40 was behind in power (or power-to-weight ratio) when compared with the OS 160 when doing the Master schedule of that time. I am sure that less fuel consumption with less BTU content means less power. The Abbra with the ZDZ 40 was ~3-4 oz over 11 lbs. The OS 160 Abbra was 9.8 lbs. I am not sure now what the new gasoline engines manufactures are doing to increase the power. I believe that an improvement in the design of gas engines is required to make it usable for pattern. <br>
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Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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<div><FONT size=2><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes that's true. When I was mixing my fuel I needed to do it by volume until I figgered what the volume weighed for each of the nitro blends I was mixing..... 30% nitro is around 10% denser (weighs around 10% more for a tankful) than 15% nitro. <br>
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Soooo....the guys who are running the YS not only use much larger tanks but their tanks weigh more when full than they would have running lower nitro. But YS is a dawg on lower nitro. You gotta admire YS Marketing strategy<br>
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Yet another reason I am looking into gasoline powerplants for pattern. Gas is significantly less dense than 30% nitro blend and gas engines demand less fuel to begin with. A 320 cc tank (around 11 ozs) will run the 30 cc engine for around 12 minutes, enough for about 1 2/3 master schedules.<br>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The weight of fuel is going to depend in large part on the percentage of nitro. Nitro is the heaviest component. Don’t believe it? Go to the hobby shop and pick up a gallon of 5% with one hand and 30% with the other, preferably from the same manufacturer. You’ll be surprised. I know I was when a fuel manufacturer showed me at Toledo about twenty years ago. Fortunately, pilots with glow planes are weighed without the fuel so they don’t have to worry about that…</SPAN></div>
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<B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:16 PM<br>
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I just weighed a gallon of fuel I have here. It was 7.8 pounds including the plastic jig. 0.75 ounces per fluid ounce would mean the jug weighs +/- 29 ounces (1.8 pounds). </div>
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