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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sometime around September 2010 I
think.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=brian_w_young@yahoo.com href="mailto:brian_w_young@yahoo.com">brian
young</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:36
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] When do the
Rules Proposals Get Voted On? >> andRe: Weight limit in AMA classes
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<DIV>If the goal were to reduce cost, for me the best way to keep cost in
check is consistant rules over the long term, manufacturers and competitors
don't have a moving target to hit.</DIV>
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<DIV>Others point out the historical affect of changes to the aircraft
specification and resultant size increase and cost increase. Although I bet if
you look at today's vs. then dollars its a wash. Cheap asian aircraft and
increased radio reliability have kept the relative expense in check and made
the hobby accesible by offering affordable prebuilt planes.
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<DIV>My preference is no change to the aircraft specification. </DIV>
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<DIV>When do these proposals get voted on?</DIV>
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<DIV>Brian</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Chad Northeast
<chad@f3acanada.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sat, December 12, 2009 9:41:07
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes<BR></FONT><BR>I don't know the
YS business model, but I would place a bet they will never develop a motor
specifically marketed toward AMA classes. They are going to develop
motors that can be showcased at the Worlds. Same with airplane designs,
I dont think you will see many companies market planes that cannot be used in
FAI.<BR><BR>I think its very important to keep in mind that typically most of
what we use in pattern today is designed for use in FAI. Oxai, CA, ZN,
Wistmodel, CARF etc. etc. etc. all design models for FAI. Change the AMA
weight limits, and none of those companies will change their designs, the same
planes will still be flown, just with heavier equipment :) I think you
would have a hard sell to get any of them to produce a model that can only be
used in AMA classes.<BR><BR>If FAI increased the weight limit, then there
would be some serious trouble.<BR><BR>Chad<BR><BR>Archie Stafford
wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Very simple statement. Open your checkbook if
this passes. Big 2 meter bipes will be the norm. YS will come out
with a 50CC size engine that blows away other gas or Nitro setups, and much
bigger, more powerful electric setups to remain competitive. People
thing this would reduce the cost, it will do exactly the opposite. You
are right Dave, there is no competitive advantage to a plane of the size we
are flying now being 11 1/2lbs, but be able to build a 13lb bipe with
unlimited power and watch what happens.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Arch<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> *From:* <A
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*On Behalf Of *Bill Glaze<BR>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2009 5:16
PM<BR>> *To:* <A href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A>;
General pattern discussion<BR>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight
limit in AMA classes<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Yep! I've got a
G-62 laying around here that I have no use for--until now.<BR>> <BR>>
Bill<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
<BR>> *From:* John Pavlick <mailto:<A
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A>><BR>>
<BR>> *To:* General pattern discussion<BR>>
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<BR>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2009 4:47 PM<BR>>
<BR>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA
classes<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Excellent!
Looks like I can finally build a gas-powered biplane. LOL<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> John Pavlick<BR>>
<BR>> --- On *Fri, 12/11/09, Dave Burton /<<A
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wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: Dave Burton
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA
classes<BR>> To: "'General pattern
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Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 4:38 PM<BR>>
<BR>> I have submitted a rules proposal to
completely eliminate the<BR>> 11 lb.
Weight<BR>> limit in AMA pattern classes.
(proposal 11-11).<BR>> I'd like to see some
discussion on the pros and cons of this<BR>>
proposal on the<BR>> NSRCA e-mail list and the
Pattern forum.<BR>> <BR>> My reasons for
submitting the proposal include the following<BR>>
points:<BR>> <BR>> 1. There is no
competitive advantage to a heavier plane with<BR>>
the 2 meter<BR>> size constraint (in fact
I'd argue a heavier plane is usually at a<BR>>
disadvantage and perhaps a minimum weight makes more sense<BR>>
than a maximum)<BR>> 2. The
2 meter size constraint is sufficient keep the weight<BR>>
of pattern<BR>> planes to
reasonable limits.<BR>> 3. The fact that AMA
class planes are weighed only at the US<BR>>
Nationals gives<BR>> proof that the rule is not
now enforced and not needed.<BR>> 4. The 11 lb.
Weight limit drives up the cost of pattern<BR>>
planes through the<BR>> necessary use of more
expensive high tech materials. (If you<BR>>
don't believe<BR>> "light weight" cost a lot of
money ask the people who race<BR>> sail
boats)<BR>> 5. Removing the weight limit will
reduce the manpower and cost<BR>>
associated<BR>> with running the Nationals And
also perhaps increase<BR>>
participation.<BR>> <BR>> OK, guys, what do
you think?<BR>> What other "pro" and "con"
points?<BR>> Dave Burton<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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