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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=burtona@atmc.net href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">Dave Burton</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 11, 2009 8:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight
limit in AMA classes</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hummmmmm!
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Building
a modern large 2 meter pattern bird at 9 lbs would require what kind of high
tech materials and technology? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">How
many would have one of these?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>James
Oddino<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 11, 2009 8:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in
AMA classes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>That's what I was going to say. Smaller is more
difficult to fly, so why not?<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Jim O<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Dec 11, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Mark Hunt
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Want to reduce
cost....make the maximum weight in AMA 9lbs.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=astafford@swtexas.net href="mailto:astafford@swtexas.net">Archie
Stafford</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Friday, December
11, 2009 16:30<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Very
simple statement. Open your checkbook if this passes. Big 2
meter bipes will be the norm. YS will come out with a 50CC size engine
that blows away other gas or Nitro setups, and much bigger, more powerful
electric setups to remain competitive. People thing this would reduce
the cost, it will do exactly the opposite. You are right Dave, there
is no competitive advantage to a plane of the size we are flying now being
11 1/2lbs, but be able to build a 13lb bipe with unlimited power and watch
what happens.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Bill Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, December 11, 2009 5:16
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A>; General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit
in AMA classes</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Yep! I've got a G-62 laying around here that I have
no use for--until now.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Friday,
December 11, 2009 4:47 PM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Excellent! Looks like I can finally build a
gas-powered biplane. LOL<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>Fri, 12/11/09, Dave
Burton<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><I><<A
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A>></I></B><SPAN
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>From: Dave
Burton <<A
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A>><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes<BR>To: "'General
pattern discussion'" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date:
Friday, December 11, 2009, 4:38 PM<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I have submitted a rules proposal to completely
eliminate the 11 lb. Weight<BR>limit in AMA pattern classes.
(proposal 11-11).<BR>I'd like to see some discussion on the pros
and cons of this proposal on the<BR>NSRCA e-mail list and the
Pattern forum.<BR><BR>My reasons for submitting the proposal
include the following points:<BR><BR>1. There is no competitive
advantage to a heavier plane with the 2 meter<BR>size constraint
(in fact I'd argue a heavier plane is usually at a<BR>disadvantage
and perhaps a minimum weight makes more sense than a
maximum)<BR>2. The 2 meter size constraint is sufficient keep the
weight of pattern<BR>planes to reasonable limits.<BR>3. The fact
that AMA class planes are weighed only at the US Nationals
gives<BR>proof that the rule is not now enforced and not
needed.<BR>4. The 11 lb. Weight limit drives up the cost of
pattern planes through the<BR>necessary use of more expensive high
tech materials. (If you don't believe<BR>"light weight" cost a lot
of money ask the people who race sail boats)<BR>5. Removing the
weight limit will reduce the manpower and cost associated<BR>with
running the Nationals And also perhaps increase
participation.<BR><BR>OK, guys, what do you think?<BR>What other
"pro" and "con" points?<BR>Dave
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