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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Arch:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Agree 100%</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=astafford@swtexas.net href="mailto:astafford@swtexas.net">Archie
Stafford</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 11, 2009 5:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight
limit in AMA classes</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Very
simple statement. Open your checkbook if this passes. Big 2 meter
bipes will be the norm. YS will come out with a 50CC size engine that
blows away other gas or Nitro setups, and much bigger, more powerful electric
setups to remain competitive. People thing this would reduce the cost,
it will do exactly the opposite. You are right Dave, there is no
competitive advantage to a plane of the size we are flying now being 11
1/2lbs, but be able to build a 13lb bipe with unlimited power and watch what
happens.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 11, 2009 5:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA
classes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Yep! I've got a G-62 laying around here that I have
no use for--until now.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Friday, December
11, 2009 4:47 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Excellent! Looks like I can finally build a
gas-powered biplane. LOL<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 12/11/09, Dave
Burton <I><<A
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A>></I></B>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>From: Dave Burton
<<A
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A>><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes<BR>To: "'General
pattern discussion'" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Date:
Friday, December 11, 2009, 4:38 PM<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I have submitted a rules proposal to completely
eliminate the 11 lb. Weight<BR>limit in AMA pattern classes.
(proposal 11-11).<BR>I'd like to see some discussion on the pros and
cons of this proposal on the<BR>NSRCA e-mail list and the Pattern
forum.<BR><BR>My reasons for submitting the proposal include the
following points:<BR><BR>1. There is no competitive advantage to a
heavier plane with the 2 meter<BR>size constraint (in fact I'd argue
a heavier plane is usually at a<BR>disadvantage and perhaps a
minimum weight makes more sense than a maximum)<BR>2. The 2 meter
size constraint is sufficient keep the weight of pattern<BR>planes
to reasonable limits.<BR>3. The fact that AMA class planes are
weighed only at the US Nationals gives<BR>proof that the rule is not
now enforced and not needed.<BR>4. The 11 lb. Weight limit drives up
the cost of pattern planes through the<BR>necessary use of more
expensive high tech materials. (If you don't believe<BR>"light
weight" cost a lot of money ask the people who race sail
boats)<BR>5. Removing the weight limit will reduce the manpower and
cost associated<BR>with running the Nationals And also perhaps
increase participation.<BR><BR>OK, guys, what do you think?<BR>What
other "pro" and "con" points?<BR>Dave
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