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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Very simple statement.&nbsp; Open your checkbook if this passes.&nbsp; Big
2 meter bipes will be the norm.&nbsp; YS will come out with a 50CC size engine that
blows away other gas or Nitro setups, and much bigger, more powerful electric
setups to remain competitive.&nbsp; People thing this would reduce the cost, it will
do exactly the opposite.&nbsp; You are right Dave, there is no competitive advantage
to a plane of the size we are flying now being 11 1/2lbs, but be able to build
a 13lb bipe with unlimited power and watch what happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'>Arch<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Glaze<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 11, 2009 5:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Yep!&nbsp; I've got a G-62 laying around here that I have no
use for--until now.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com"
title="jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Friday, December 11,
2009 4:47 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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  <p class=MsoNormal>Excellent! Looks like&nbsp;I can finally build a
  gas-powered biplane. LOL<o:p></o:p></p>
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  <p class=MsoNormal>John Pavlick<br>
  <br>
  --- On <b>Fri, 12/11/09, Dave Burton <i>&lt;<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>&gt;</i></b>
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  From: Dave Burton &lt;<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>&gt;<br>
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes<br>
  To: &quot;'General pattern discussion'&quot; &lt;<a
  href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&gt;<br>
  Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 4:38 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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  <p class=MsoNormal>I have submitted a rules proposal to completely eliminate
  the 11 lb. Weight<br>
  limit in AMA pattern classes. (proposal 11-11).<br>
  I'd like to see some discussion on the pros and cons of this proposal on the<br>
  NSRCA e-mail list and the Pattern forum.<br>
  <br>
  My reasons for submitting the proposal include the following points:<br>
  <br>
  1. There is no competitive advantage to a heavier plane with the 2 meter<br>
  size constraint (in fact I'd argue a heavier plane is usually at a<br>
  disadvantage and perhaps a minimum weight makes more sense than a maximum)<br>
  2. The 2 meter size constraint is sufficient keep the weight of pattern<br>
  planes to reasonable limits.<br>
  3. The fact that AMA class planes are weighed only at the US Nationals gives<br>
  proof that the rule is not now enforced and not needed.<br>
  4. The 11 lb. Weight limit drives up the cost of pattern planes through the<br>
  necessary use of more expensive high tech materials. (If you don't believe<br>
  &quot;light weight&quot; cost a lot of money ask the people who race sail
  boats)<br>
  5. Removing the weight limit will reduce the manpower and cost associated<br>
  with running the Nationals And also perhaps increase participation.<br>
  <br>
  OK, guys, what do you think?<br>
  What other &quot;pro&quot; and &quot;con&quot; points?<br>
  Dave Burton<br>
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