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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ron,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Yep your right about the duck rule.. The planes I'm
doing are right off the original plans with no size changes, only change is
electric for some and using OS .61 for the glow versions..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Scott Anderson<BR></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://www.rcfoamy.com">www.rcfoamy.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.classic-patternrc.com">www.classic-patternrc.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Not bama
now</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I can tell you why I dropped out of the SPA: The
nostalgia was gone once 0.91 4-strokes were permitted and the allowable 0.60
2-strokes couldn't compete.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I feel qualified to comment on the SPA rules, since I was an SPA member,
one of its strongest supporters ((go look at the SPA web site and see who
wrote the Model Aviation report on the first SPA contest) and i was "driven
out" of SPA by the motor rule change.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>BTW, go look at the currently acceptable Daddy Rabbit airplanes; I saw
one at the Orlando contest last December and almost didn't recognize it.
That must be the "duck" rule alluded to by Scott.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ron</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Nov 25, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Phil Spelt wrote:</DIV><BR
class=Apple-interchange-newline>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><FONT size=3>CONGRATULATIONS, Jason!!! You are
almost the only one (the ONLY non-SPAer) who has done more then bit..., uh,
compl..., er, <U>commented</U> on our rules. I will email you
privately about your suggestions.<BR><BR>I don't understand why non-SPA
people spend so much time worrying about our rules and regulation. Can
someone explain, please?<BR><BR>EVERYONE (yes, even non-SPAers :-D) have a
Happy Thanksgiving. Eat lost of turkey, absorb lots of tryptophan, and
fall asleep in front of the TV...<BR><BR>At 05:44 PM 11/25/2009, you
wrote:<BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT color=#000080 size=3
face="Arial, Helvetica">Ok... been thinking about this and I sound just
like how I hate others to sound. Complain without suggesting a fix. Here
goes.<BR></FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT color=#000080 size=3
face="Arial, Helvetica">Plane and motor, not my choice. I'm not an SPA
member, don't plan on joining, but hope to participate in more events. I
still think the motor issue will become a bigger issue now that the OS-91
isn't made anymore... but just my opinion. Honestly, those blue-printed
91's are no different power wise than YS-91's, IMO. And as I said below, I
like the planes I remember when I was growing up, so I will choose
something similar.<BR></FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
color=#000080 size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">Would a 10% rule be worth
looking into for SPA? IMAC has it and you can still tweak and change
things around enough. Also, why was the Miss Norway deleted from the list?
I like that plane.<BR></FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
color=#000080 size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">As for competing in Novice
only if you're not a member. Seeing as most of the people that might
participate would most likely be pattern pilots (new or old), some will
skill levels more than Novice level, what about this for non-SPA
members...<BR></FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT color=#000080
size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">Novice: Can fly an SPA legal (don't
remember the Novice allowance rules for plane allowed) set-up, and CAN
place and receive a trophy/plaque... once. This will give them a taste for
it in FULL competition.<BR></FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
color=#000080 size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">Sportsman: Same as Novice, no
trophy/plaque, but a certificate as the SPA rules state.<BR></FONT><FONT
size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT color=#000080 size=3
face="Arial, Helvetica">Expert: Same as Novice, but scores are handed back
to you after your flight, no awards or *certificate. I don't need a
certificate to remind me of the fun I have, I have the memories. * Maybe
certificate, but don't think that matters. BTW, I sent my plaque to the
highest placing SPA member from the Masters after being made aware of the
rules.<BR></FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT color=#000080 size=3
face="Arial, Helvetica">I hope that SPA will allow non-SPA members to fly
all classes. Ron Ellis and club are holding an SPA event in Melbourne in
February I would like to go to and compete. But only as an Expert, not a
Novice.<BR></FONT><FONT size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT color=#000080 size=3
face="Arial, Helvetica"><A
href="http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm">http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm</A><BR></FONT><FONT
size=3> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT color=#000080 size=3
face="Arial, Helvetica"><B>And Happy Thanksgiving to all of you
(celebrating it). I'm outta here for a few days, so have fun
;)<BR></B></FONT><FONT size=3> <BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com/"
eudora="autourl">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></FONT>
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<DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<DD>From: <A href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">J Shu</A> <BR>
<DD>To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General
pattern discussion</A> <BR>
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:08 PM<BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<BR><BR>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">I have no problem
with what others fly if it's in the rules, even if it's a 4-cycle. If I
ever do an SPA plane it will have a 61 (or 55) AND look like the
original, my choice. But there are a few things that I do think are an
issue.<BR></FONT>
<DD><BR>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">The rules state
that you can fly Novice and not be a member, all other classes you must.
So now if I want to go fly again at an SPA contest, I will have to fly
Novice. I'm not sure many of the Novice pilots will like that. And had I
know about this rule before the end of the contest in GA, I would have
only been Ryan's PB and helped out where ever needed.<BR></FONT>
<DD><BR>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">Some of the ducks
just look like geese.<BR></FONT>
<DD><BR>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">Some of the 91's
that are flying are 'blue-printed motors'. I also understand that these
are not commercially available to any Joe Schmoe. Well, that seems a bit
unfair to me, but again, I would only fly a 2-stroke anyway.<BR></FONT>
<DD><BR>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica">But the thing I
really enjoyed was the contest itself. I had a blast and nice and
relaxing. It was the break I was looking for. Go 4lb
Kaos'...lol<BR></FONT><BR>
<DD>Regards,<BR>
<DD>Jason<BR>
<DD><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A>
<BR>
<DD><A href="http://www.composite-arf.com/"
eudora="autourl">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR>
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<DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<DD>From: <A href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net">Phil Spelt</A> <BR>
<DD>To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General
pattern discussion</A> <BR>
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:36 AM<BR>
<DD>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<BR><BR>
<DD>Well, Guys,<BR><BR>
<DD>I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this
is not the venue for that. Everyone is free to choose with whom
to associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the people
who have chosen not to fly with us, that was/is their choice. If
you check with Jason Shulman, you might find a different
perspective.<BR><BR>
<DD>I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers
about the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but
they are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA
pattern - but we don't publicly criticize it, either. I judged
several rounds at an AMA meet last season, and while I really like the
turn around part, the judging reinforced my decision to fly SPA,
only.<BR><BR>
<DD>BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter stuff (engines and
airframes) you can email me privately...it would be great stuff @ a
reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern, and up through
Advanced.<BR><BR>
<DD>At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face="Arial, Helvetica">That’s the
reason I quite SPA also… 4-cycles!! There is not much
challenge flying the old pattern with a overpowered (90 4c)
engine. That was what made it hard! The scavenge-pot
60’s didn’t really have enough power, so you had to FLY the
airplane…. If they are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY
power plant!<BR></FONT><FONT color=#000080 size=2
face="Arial, Helvetica">
<DD><BR>
<DD>Tony Stillman, President<BR>
<DD>Radio South, Inc.<BR>
<DD>139 Altama Connector, Box 322<BR>
<DD>Brunswick, GA 31525<BR>
<DD>1-800-962-7802<BR></FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face="Arial, Helvetica"><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/"
eudora="autourl">www.radiosouthrc.com</A><BR>
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On Behalf Of Pete Cosky<BR></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>
<DD>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20 AM<BR>
<DD>To: <A
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A>; General
pattern discussion<BR></FONT>
<DD><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama
Bound<BR></FONT>
<DD><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman, Times"><BR></FONT><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman, Times"></FONT>
<DD><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman, Times">I'm with you John.
When I was into racing anything vintage had to
be....well...vintage.</FONT></DD></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DD></DL></DD></DL>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
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<P><FONT size=3><B><I>--></I></B></FONT><B><I> <FONT color=#800000 size=3
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targets.<BR><BR></FONT></I><FONT color=#800000 size=3
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