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<font size=3>Hi, Dave,<br><br>
Yes, I know that -- I have told our BOD we will be chasing our tails for
as long as we permit electrics, but most of the BOD is wanting to embrace
the "new technology" for power...as motors improve and
batteries get stronger, things will change. BTW, the 6s lipo is not
part of the current proposal -- we are trying to do something different
on the battery side. I will be glad to let you know what we finally
do, if you are interested...<br><br>
At 04:22 PM 11/25/2009, you wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Phil,<br>
<br>
I can see where the average stock 91 4C could be quieter than the average
stock 61 2C, so if it was needed to appease noise limits, good enough
(tho I do see a substantial power advantage for the 91 4C, especially if
the 2C 60 can’t use a pipe). Accommodating electrics without
disrupting the “power balance”……that will not be easy, and will be
constantly changing as electrics evolve. 6s lipo and 13” prop is
for all practical purposes no limit.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
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<font face="Tahoma" size=2><b>From:</b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Phil Spelt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<br>
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In terms of rules, be they SPA or AMA, they are what they are, and we
must abide by them. Why are the lines on the sides of
baseball diamonds IN BOUNDS, while lines on the sides of football
fields and basketball courts OUT of BOUNDS? Because that's the way
"they" wrote the rules...<br><br>
Someone mentioned that SPA is trying to re-capture the "style of
flying" from those days, and that is essentially correct. The
tuned pipe and retract restrictions are to keep the cost and complexity
down...I know, some of you will come back and point out that 4-strokes
are neither inexpensive nor simple, and you are correct. That move
was made to keep the Knoxville, TN, club, Knox County RC, Inc.,
continuing with SPA due to noise restrictions. Although, as I
believe I have said here earlier, I had an Enya Gear-Pump .61 turning a
3-blade APC prop and using a SoundMaster muffler which came in at 89dB @
9 feet on pavement -- and a similarly-equipped YS .61 short stroke that
did the same. BTW, those were for AMA, not SPA, in the 1989-91
era.<br><br>
Dave said:<br><br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">*********I
would note that the direction taken by the NSRCA is based on the
comments/feedback from the NSRCA membership….majority wins….minority is
still welcome, but can choose to go play another game (SPA, BPA, vintage,
etc)….it is nice to have the options.<br>
</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times" size=3>The same is true for
SPA -- that's why we are trying to accommodate electrics, much to the
disgust of a couple of our die-hard members, including our esteemed
founder.<br><br>
If any of you would like to fly by our rules (and .55s and .61's are
competitive these days) we'd be delighted to have you join us. A
number of our members fly both types, and BPA as well.<br><br>
At 10:56 AM 11/25/2009, Dave wrote:<br><br>
“Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and while we in SPA
are sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly with us,
that was/is their choice.”<br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">*********True
enough!!<br>
<br>
“</font><font size=3>I won't go into the many discussions I have had with
fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the
NSRCA -- but they are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to
fly AMA”<br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080"><br><br>
If I had more time, and more of the SPA stuff was happening in my
area, I’d love to put together a Dirty Birdy or Deception (some of my
first planes)…..and the power plant would have to be modernized to
accommodate noise….but, personally, I could never be happy with such a
plane using a 4C….just doesn’t seem right to me. But I am happy to
see others having fun with the older planes (however much they are being
modified) and 4Cs.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
<br>
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<font face="Tahoma" size=2><b>From:</b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [
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</b>Phil Spelt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<br>
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Well, Guys,<br><br>
I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this is not
the venue for that. Everyone is free to choose with whom to
associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have
chosen not to fly with us, that was/is their choice. If you check
with Jason Shulman, you might find a different perspective.<br><br>
I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers about
the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they are
frequent, and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA pattern - but
we don't publicly criticize it, either. I judged several rounds at
an AMA meet last season, and while I really like the turn around part,
the judging reinforced my decision to fly SPA, only.<br><br>
BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter stuff (engines and
airframes) you can email me privately...it would be great stuff @ a
reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern, and up through
Advanced.<br><br>
At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:<br><br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">That’s the
reason I quite SPA also… 4-cycles!! There is not much challenge
flying the old pattern with a overpowered (90 4c) engine. That was
what made it hard! The scavenge-pot 60’s didn’t really have enough
power, so you had to FLY the airplane…. If they are allowing 90 4c
engines, why not allow ANY power plant!<br>
<br>
Tony Stillman, President<br>
Radio South, Inc.<br>
139 Altama Connector, Box 322<br>
Brunswick, GA 31525<br>
1-800-962-7802<br>
<a href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/" eudora="autourl">
www.radiosouthrc.com</a><br>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [
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</b>Pete Cosky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<br>
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I'm with you John. When I was into racing anything vintage had to
be....well...vintage.<br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>----- Original Message -----
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From: <a href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</a> <br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</a> <br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:13 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<br>
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Electrics in SPA? Jeez, that's kind of hard to stomach. Next they're
going to allow electronic fuel-injection and anti-lock brakes in Vintage
Sports Car Racing. LOL<br>
<br>
John Pavlick<br>
<br><br>
--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Jerry Combs
<<a href="mailto:jcombs1947@att.net">jcombs1947@att.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
From: Jerry Combs
<<a href="mailto:jcombs1947@att.net">jcombs1947@att.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:50 AM<br>
I don't understand the 13" prop bit either. On my Axi 4130-20
on 6 cells a 13" prop gives me around 500 watts.<br>
Jerry<br>
Scott, What is the reason behind a 13 inch prop limit for electric?
There<br>
isn't any limit on prop sizes for IC engines is there? A flyer with an
IC<br>
engine searches for the best prop size to the particular plane and
engine<br>
combo, it seems that electric flyers should have the same
flexibility.<br>
Dave Burton <br>
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</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#800000">There are
only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.<br><br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#800000"> There are only two
types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.<br><br>
</i></b></font><font size=3>Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio
Control Society, Inc.<br>
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http://www.kcrctn.com</a><br>
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There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.<br><br>
</i></b></font><font size=3>Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio
Control Society, Inc.<br>
URL:
<a href="http://www.kcrctn.com/" eudora="autourl">
http://www.kcrctn.com<br>
</a>AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177<br>
My URL:
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