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<DIV>Bob:</DIV>
<DIV>The quick answer about maneuvers going behind the flight line is: We
had a mandatory precision pattern that ncluded a figure 8, which had the
crossover flown directly over your head. And, there was no penalty for
positioning--indeed, you could go behind the deadline, because there wasn't any
deadline. And, all this with radios that weren't 10% as reliable as what
we have now. All 3 classes flew off the same maneuver list; you just
picked the ones you wanted/could fly, and in whatever order you wished, making
up your own routine, positioning and orienting the maneuvers as suited
you. I've just scratched the surface here, I'm already getting too wordy,
but it was sure different in the50's and 60's.</DIV>
<DIV>Bill Glaze</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama
Bound</DIV>
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<DIV>Well, yes. But haven't the pattern rules been "bent" before. I
remember the "normally aspirated" (or some such) in the rules, but the
YS and later OS supercharged engines were allowed. And don't get me
started on the sound checks... Years back, I remember one CD at the Nats
pilot's meeting making the comment "we all know where the switch on the
transmitter is". </DIV>
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<DIV>As for the manuevers you flew in the "olden times", didn't they
have maneuvers that went behind the flight line? :-) I
think the patterns they are flying are similar to what was flown in the
70s. </DIV>
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<DIV>I like pattern. I am also intrigued by SPA and really want to try
it. Some chose not to participate in SPA because of the four strokes -
and that is certainly their choice to make. But, a similar thing
happened when pattern went full turnaround, many chose not to continue
pattern - and that was also their choice to make. At least we have a LOT
of choices now - SPA, BPA, IMAC, and Pattern. I remember when, if you
wanted to compete in RC, it was pattern, pylon, or scale. If you had
really fast reflexes, you might do pylon. If you were really smooth on
the sticks, you might fly pattern. If you were niether, you flew scale.
:-O</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 11/25/09, Bill Glaze
<I><billglaze@bellsouth.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>True, Bob. But setting up rules, then "bending" them
doesn't seem quite right to me, either. In the case of engines,
I can understand, (in many cases, they simply are no longer available)
but in the case of airframes, changing hinge lines, lengthening the
fuselage, clipping the wings, enlarging the rudder, making a
tail-dragger into a tricycle gear, (although I blame Sig for that)
etc. etc. doesn't impress me either. And, the patterns aren't
like we used to fly, either, in "olden times". (In fact, I don't
know when this stuff they're flying came in; certainly after my
era.) However, if you take off the nice, new Tru-Turn spinners,
the propellor nuts are like the ones we used to use. (In some
cases, anyway.)</DIV>
<DIV>Bill Glaze</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=bob@toprudder.com
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Richards</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25,
2009 2:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Alabama Bound</DIV>
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<DIV>Well, lets keep it completely vintage. Non computer
radios. Proline or Kraft only, (no 2.4g conversions!). No
schneurle engines (can you still find decent cross-flow
engines?). Fox plugs. Dubro chrome hub wheels, or the really
heavy Kraft wheels. Wooden Top-Flite or Rev-Up
props. </DIV>
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<DIV>(Sarchasim off...)</DIV>
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<DIV>Lets face it, some concessions have to be made to make it
at least practical. How many of us would want to dig up a
70s era engine and keep it running? I don't think it is the
equipment so much as it is the flying style that they are
trying to recreate, and my hat is off to them for that. It
won't be everyone's cup-o-tea, but neither is today's
pattern.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 11/25/09, Pete Cosky
<I><pcosky@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I'm with you John. When I was into racing anything
vintage had to be....well...vintage.</DIV>
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rel=nofollow target=_blank>General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
November 25, 2009 10:13 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound</DIV>
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<DIV>Electrics in SPA? Jeez, that's kind of hard to
stomach. Next they're going to allow electronic
fuel-injection and anti-lock brakes in Vintage
Sports Car Racing. LOL</DIV>
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<DIV>John Pavlick</DIV>
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