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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can see where the average stock 91 4C
could be quieter than the average stock 61 2C, so if it was needed to appease
noise limits, good enough (tho I do see a substantial power advantage for the
91 4C, especially if the 2C 60 can’t use a pipe). Accommodating
electrics without disrupting the “power balance”……that
will not be easy, and will be constantly changing as electrics evolve. 6s
lipo and 13” prop is for all practical purposes no limit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Phil Spelt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009
3:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alabama</st1:place></st1:State> Bound</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>In terms of rules, be they SPA or AMA, they are what they are, and we
must abide by them. Why are the lines on the sides of baseball
diamonds IN BOUNDS, while lines on the sides of football fields and
basketball courts OUT of BOUNDS? Because that's the way "they"
wrote the rules...<br>
<br>
Someone mentioned that SPA is trying to re-capture the "style of
flying" from those days, and that is essentially correct. The tuned
pipe and retract restrictions are to keep the cost and complexity down...I
know, some of you will come back and point out that 4-strokes are neither
inexpensive nor simple, and you are correct. That move was made to keep
the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Knoxville</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">TN</st1:State></st1:place>, club, Knox County RC, Inc., continuing
with SPA due to noise restrictions. Although, as I believe I have said
here earlier, I had an Enya Gear-Pump .61 turning a 3-blade APC prop and using
a SoundMaster muffler which came in at 89dB @ 9 feet on pavement -- and a
similarly-equipped YS .61 short stroke that did the same. BTW, those were
for AMA, not SPA, in the 1989-91 era.<br>
<br>
Dave said:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>*********I would note that the direction
taken by the NSRCA is based on the comments/feedback from the NSRCA
membership….majority wins….minority is still welcome, but can
choose to go play another game (SPA, BPA, vintage, etc)….it is nice to
have the options.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The same is true for SPA -- that's why we are trying to accommodate
electrics, much to the disgust of a couple of our die-hard members, including
our esteemed founder.<br>
<br>
If any of you would like to fly by our rules (and .55s and .61's are
competitive these days) we'd be delighted to have you join us. A number
of our members fly both types, and BPA as well.<br>
<br>
At 10:56 AM 11/25/2009, Dave wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>“Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and while we
in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly with us,
that was/is their choice.”<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>*********True enough!!<br>
<br>
“</span></font>I won't go into the many discussions I have had with
fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA --
but they are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> If I had more time, and more of the
SPA stuff was happening in my area, I’d love to put together a Dirty
Birdy or Deception (some of my first planes)…..and the power plant would
have to be modernized to accommodate noise….but, personally, I could
never be happy with such a plane using a 4C….just doesn’t seem
right to me. But I am happy to see others having fun with the older
planes (however much they are being modified) and 4Cs.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora=autourl>
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Phil Spelt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009
10:37 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alabama</st1:place></st1:State> Bound<br>
</span></font> <br>
Well, Guys,<br>
<br>
I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this is not the
venue for that. Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and
while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly
with us, that was/is their choice. If you check with Jason Shulman, you
might find a different perspective.<br>
<br>
I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers about the
direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they are frequent,
and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA pattern - but we don't
publicly criticize it, either. I judged several rounds at an AMA meet
last season, and while I really like the turn around part, the judging
reinforced my decision to fly SPA, only.<br>
<br>
BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter stuff (engines and airframes) you
can email me privately...it would be great stuff @ a reasonable price for entry
into 2-meter pattern, and up through Advanced.<br>
<br>
At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:<br>
<br>
<font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>That’s the reason I quite SPA also…
4-cycles!! There is not much challenge flying the old pattern with a
overpowered (90 4c) engine. That was what made it hard! The
scavenge-pot 60’s didn’t really have enough power, so you had to
FLY the airplane…. If they are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY
power plant!<br>
<br>
Tony Stillman, President<br>
Radio South, Inc.<br>
139 Altama Connector, <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Box</st1:Street>
322</st1:address><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Brunswick</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">GA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">31525</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
1-800-962-7802<br>
<a href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/" eudora=autourl>www.radiosouthrc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [ <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora=autourl>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Pete Cosky<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009
10:20 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> jpavlick@idseng.com; General
pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alabama</st1:place></st1:State> Bound<br>
</span></font> <br>
I'm with you John. When I was into racing anything vintage had to
be....well...vintage.<br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>-----
Original Message ----- <br>
From: <a href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</a> <br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</a> <br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:13 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alabama</st1:place></st1:State>
Bound<br>
</span></font> <br>
Electrics in SPA? Jeez, that's kind of hard to stomach. Next they're going to
allow electronic fuel-injection and anti-lock brakes in Vintage Sports Car
Racing. LOL<br>
<br>
John Pavlick<br>
<br>
<br>
--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Jerry Combs <<a href="mailto:jcombs1947@att.net">jcombs1947@att.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
From: Jerry Combs <<a href="mailto:jcombs1947@att.net">jcombs1947@att.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alabama</st1:place></st1:State>
Bound<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:50 AM<br>
I don't understand the 13" prop bit either. On my Axi 4130-20 on 6
cells a 13" prop gives me around 500 watts.<br>
Jerry<br>
Scott, What is the reason behind a 13 inch prop limit for electric? There<br>
isn't any limit on prop sizes for IC engines is there? A flyer with an IC<br>
engine searches for the best prop size to the particular plane and engine<br>
combo, it seems that electric flyers should have the same flexibility.<br>
Dave Burton <br>
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