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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just finished a Blue Jay Dirty Birdy
60 kit with an OS 55x and Macs tuned Muffler- Talk about power and
vertical speed- it’s a hoot ! I made an effort to build it light- tossed
some wood, hollowed blocks out- (6lbs. 1 oz., no retracts, pull-pull rudder. Deps
style elev.) and it doesn’t need a .heavy .91 4-stroke. I2-13 minutes
on an 8 ounce tank . Some of my pattern buds (Ed Alt & Matt K.) have flown
it and are favorably impressed. Needs some more mixing once the weather
improves. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Frank<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009
10:57 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alabama</st1:place></st1:State> Bound</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>“Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and while we
in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly with us,
that was/is their choice.”</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>*********True enough!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“</span></font>I won't go into the many
discussions I have had with fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA pattern,
as directed by the NSRCA -- but they are frequent, and those of us having them
choose not to fly AMA”<font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>*********I would note that the direction
taken by the NSRCA is based on the comments/feedback from the NSRCA
membership….majority wins….minority is still welcome, but can
choose to go play another game (SPA, BPA, vintage, etc)….it is nice to
have the options.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If I had more time, and more of the SPA
stuff was happening in my area, I’d love to put together a Dirty Birdy or
Deception (some of my first planes)…..and the power plant would have to
be modernized to accommodate noise….but, personally, I could never be
happy with such a plane using a 4C….just doesn’t seem right to me.
But I am happy to see others having fun with the older planes (however much
they are being modified) and 4Cs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Phil Spelt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009
10:37 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Alabama</st1:State></st1:place> Bound</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Well, Guys,<br>
<br>
I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this is not the
venue for that. Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and
while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly
with us, that was/is their choice. If you check with Jason Shulman, you
might find a different perspective.<br>
<br>
I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers about the
direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they are frequent,
and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA pattern - but we don't
publicly criticize it, either. I judged several rounds at an AMA meet
last season, and while I really like the turn around part, the judging
reinforced my decision to fly SPA, only.<br>
<br>
BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter stuff (engines and airframes) you
can email me privately...it would be great stuff @ a reasonable price for entry
into 2-meter pattern, and up through Advanced.<br>
<br>
At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That’s the reason I quite SPA
also… 4-cycles!! There is not much challenge flying the old pattern
with a overpowered (90 4c) engine. That was what made it hard! The
scavenge-pot 60’s didn’t really have enough power, so you had to
FLY the airplane…. If they are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY
power plant!<br>
<br>
Tony Stillman, President<br>
Radio South, Inc.<br>
139 Altama Connector, <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Box</st1:Street>
322</st1:address><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Brunswick</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">GA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">31525</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
1-800-962-7802<br>
<a href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/" eudora=autourl>www.radiosouthrc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora=autourl>
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Pete Cosky<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009
10:20 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">jpavlick@idseng.com</st1:PersonName>;
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Alabama</st1:State></st1:place> Bound<br>
</span></font> <br>
I'm with you John. When I was into racing anything vintage had to
be....well...vintage.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From: <a
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John Pavlick</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>To: <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009
10:13 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Alabama</st1:State></st1:place> Bound</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Electrics in SPA? Jeez, that's kind of hard to
stomach. Next they're going to allow electronic fuel-injection and anti-lock
brakes in Vintage Sports Car Racing. LOL<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>John Pavlick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Jerry Combs <<a
href="mailto:jcombs1947@att.net">jcombs1947@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: Jerry Combs <<a
href="mailto:jcombs1947@att.net">jcombs1947@att.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State
w:st="on">Alabama</st1:State></st1:place> Bound<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern
discussion</st1:PersonName>" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:50 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don't understand the 13" prop bit either.
On my Axi 4130-20 on 6 cells a 13" prop gives me around 500 watts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jerry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Scott, What is the reason behind a 13 inch prop limit
for electric? There<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>isn't any limit on prop sizes for IC engines is there?
A flyer with an IC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>engine searches for the best prop size to the
particular plane and engine<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>combo, it seems that electric flyers should have the
same flexibility.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dave Burton <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p></x-sigsep><b><i><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'><x-sigsep>--> </span></font></i></b><b><i><font
color=maroon face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:maroon;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
targets.<br>
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</span></font></i></b>Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control
Society, Inc.<br>
URL: <a href="http://www.kcrctn.com/"
eudora=autourl>http://www.kcrctn.com<br>
</a>AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177<br>
My URL: <a
href="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/" eudora=autourl>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/<br>
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