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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jas,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There was a 3% rule at one time , then they went to
the duck rule.. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>scott</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jshulman@cfl.rr.com href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">J Shu</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Not bama
now</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Ok... been thinking about this and I sound
just like how I hate others to sound. Complain without suggesting a fix. Here
goes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Plane and motor, not my choice. I'm not an
SPA member, don't plan on joining, but hope to participate in more events. I
still think the motor issue will become a bigger issue now that the OS-91
isn't made anymore... but just my opinion. Honestly, those blue-printed 91's
are no different power wise than YS-91's, IMO. And as I said below,
I like the planes I remember when I was growing up, so I will choose something
similar.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Would a 10% rule be worth looking into for
SPA? IMAC has it and you can still tweak and change things around enough.
Also, why was the Miss Norway deleted from the list? I like that
plane.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>As for competing in Novice only if you're
not a member. Seeing as most of the people that might participate would
most likely be pattern pilots (new or old), some will skill levels more than
Novice level, what about this for non-SPA members...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Novice: Can fly an SPA legal (don't
remember the Novice allowance rules for plane allowed) set-up, and CAN place
and receive a trophy/plaque... once. This will give them a taste for it in
FULL competition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Sportsman: Same as Novice, no
trophy/plaque, but a certificate as the SPA rules state.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Expert: Same as Novice, but scores are
handed back to you after your flight, no awards or *certificate. I don't need
a certificate to remind me of the fun I have, I have the memories. * Maybe
certificate, but don't think that matters. BTW, I sent my plaque to the
highest placing SPA member from the Masters after being made aware of the
rules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>I hope that SPA will allow non-SPA members
to fly all classes. Ron Ellis and club are holding an SPA event in Melbourne
in February I would like to go to and compete. But only as an Expert, not a
Novice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial><A
href="http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm">http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial><STRONG>And Happy Thanksgiving to all of
you (celebrating it). I'm outta here for a few days, so have fun
;)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jshulman@cfl.rr.com href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">J Shu</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009
12:08 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama
Bound</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>I have no problem with what others fly
if it's in the rules, even if it's a 4-cycle. If I ever do an SPA plane it
will have a 61 (or 55) AND look like the original, my choice. But there are
a few things that I do think are an issue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>The rules state that you can fly Novice
and not be a member, all other classes you must. So now if I want to go fly
again at an SPA contest, I will have to fly Novice. I'm not sure many of the
Novice pilots will like that. And had I know about this rule before the end
of the contest in GA, I would have only been Ryan's PB and helped out where
ever needed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Some of the ducks just look like
geese.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Some of the 91's that are flying are
'blue-printed motors'. I also understand that these are not commercially
available to any Joe Schmoe. Well, that seems a bit unfair to me, but again,
I would only fly a 2-stroke anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>But the thing I really enjoyed was
the contest itself. I had a blast and nice and relaxing. It was the break I
was looking for. Go 4lb Kaos'...lol</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chuenkan@comcast.net href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net">Phil
Spelt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009
10:36 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Alabama Bound</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3>Well, Guys,<BR><BR>I was preparing a response
to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this is not the venue for that.
Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and while we in SPA are
sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly with us, that
was/is their choice. If you check with Jason Shulman, you might find
a different perspective.<BR><BR>I won't go into the many discussions I
have had with fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA pattern, as
directed by the NSRCA -- but they are frequent, and those of us having
them choose not to fly AMA pattern - but we don't publicly criticize it,
either. I judged several rounds at an AMA meet last season, and
while I really like the turn around part, the judging reinforced my
decision to fly SPA, only.<BR><BR>BTW, if anyone is interested in some
2-meter stuff (engines and airframes) you can email me privately...it
would be great stuff @ a reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern,
and up through Advanced.<BR><BR>At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you
wrote:<BR></FONT>
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face="Arial, Helvetica">That’s the reason I quite SPA also…
4-cycles!! There is not much challenge flying the old pattern with
a overpowered (90 4c) engine. That was what made it hard!
The scavenge-pot 60’s didn’t really have enough power, so you had to FLY
the airplane…. If they are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY
power plant!<BR> <BR>Tony Stillman, President<BR>Radio South,
Inc.<BR>139 Altama Connector, Box 322<BR>Brunswick, GA
31525<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/"
eudora="autourl">www.radiosouthrc.com</A><BR>
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<DIV align=center></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Pete Cosky<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama
Bound<BR></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR>I'm
with you John. When I was into racing anything vintage had to
be....well...vintage.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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