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<P>Jason and all:</P>
<P>You may recall this problem was solved at Tangerine the first time we held SPA/BPA/AMA-FAI together. To allow pilots to fly the SPA/BPA airplanes without being an SPAember, wecalled the evnt BPA. The only restriction we had was the plane had to be pre 1996. I held to SPA/BPA contests with SPAembers and non-SPA members. They all had the ame kind of fun. Ask Chip and Jim Woodward.</P>
<P>I don't remember how Ron Ellis faced the issue if he had an issue with this.</P>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Ok... been thinking about this and I sound just like how I hate others to sound. Complain without suggesting a fix. Here goes.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Plane and motor, not my choice. I'm not an SPA member, don't plan on joining, but hope to participate in more events. I still think the motor issue will become a bigger issue now that the OS-91 isn't made anymore... but just my opinion. Honestly, those blue-printed 91's are no different power wise than YS-91's, IMO. And as I said below, I like the planes I remember when I was growing up, so I will choose something similar.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Would a 10% rule be worth looking into for SPA? IMAC has it and you can still tweak and change things around enough. Also, why was the Miss Norway deleted from the list? I like that plane.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>As for competing in Novice only if you're not a member. Seeing as most of the people that might participate would most likely be pattern pilots (new or old), some will skill levels more than Novice level, what about this for non-SPA members...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Novice: Can fly an SPA legal (don't remember the Novice allowance rules for plane allowed) set-up, and CAN place and receive a trophy/plaque... once. This will give them a taste for it in FULL competition.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Sportsman: Same as Novice, no trophy/plaque, but a certificate as the SPA rules state.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Expert: Same as Novice, but scores are handed back to you after your flight, no awards or *certificate. I don't need a certificate to remind me of the fun I have, I have the memories. * Maybe certificate, but don't think that matters. BTW, I sent my plaque to the highest placing SPA member from the Masters after being made aware of the rules.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>I hope that SPA will allow non-SPA members to fly all classes. Ron Ellis and club are holding an SPA event in Melbourne in February I would like to go to and compete. But only as an Expert, not a Novice.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial><STRONG>And Happy Thanksgiving to all of you (celebrating it). I'm outta here for a few days, so have fun ;)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jshulman@cfl.rr.com href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">J Shu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:08 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>I have no problem with what others fly if it's in the rules, even if it's a 4-cycle. If I ever do an SPA plane it will have a 61 (or 55) AND look like the original, my choice. But there are a few things that I do think are an issue.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>The rules state that you can fly Novice and not be a member, all other classes you must. So now if I want to go fly again at an SPA contest, I will have to fly Novice. I'm not sure many of the Novice pilots will like that. And had I know about this rule before the end of the contest in GA, I would have only been Ryan's PB and helped out where ever needed.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Some of the ducks just look like geese.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>Some of the 91's that are flying are 'blue-printed motors'. I also understand that these are not commercially available to any Joe Schmoe. Well, that seems a bit unfair to me, but again, I would only fly a 2-stroke anyway.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>But the thing I really enjoyed was the contest itself. I had a blast and nice and relaxing. It was the break I was looking for. Go 4lb Kaos'...lol</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=chuenkan@comcast.net href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net">Phil Spelt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:36 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3>Well, Guys,<BR><BR>I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this is not the venue for that. Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly with us, that was/is their choice. If you check with Jason Shulman, you might find a different perspective.<BR><BR>I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA pattern - but we don't publicly criticize it, either. I judged several rounds at an AMA meet last season, and while I really like the turn around part, the judging reinforced my decision to fly SPA, only.<BR><BR>BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter stuff (engines and airframes) you can email me privately...it would be great stuff @ a reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern, and up through Advanced.<BR><BR>At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:<BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face="Arial, Helvetica">Thats the reason I quite SPA also
4-cycles!! There is not much challenge flying the old pattern with a overpowered (90 4c) engine. That was what made it hard! The scavenge-pot 60s didnt really have enough power, so you had to FLY the airplane
. If they are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY power plant!<BR> <BR>Tony Stillman, President<BR>Radio South, Inc.<BR>139 Altama Connector, Box 322<BR>Brunswick, GA 31525<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/" eudora="autourl">www.radiosouthrc.com</A><BR>
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<DIV align=center></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl"> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Pete Cosky<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<BR></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR>I'm with you John. When I was into racing anything vintage had to be....well...vintage.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>