<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>I bet we could put together a SPA or BPA event in D1 without too much effort. Nothing formal, just maybe one event next year. Kind of like what we did with the little E-Pattern stuff at Sayre. That was a blast. I think I could actually get interest in something like this in Connecticut. It seems like many of the guys I know are not quite ready for turnaround just yet... LOL</DIV>
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<DIV>Maybe we can talk about this at the WRAM show. </DIV>
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<DIV>John Pavlick<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 11/25/09, frank <I><frankjuliei@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just finished a Blue Jay Dirty Birdy 60 kit with an OS 55x and Macs tuned Muffler- Talk about power and vertical speed- it’s a hoot ! I made an effort to build it light- tossed some wood, hollowed blocks out- (6lbs. 1 oz., no retracts, pull-pull rudder. Deps style elev.) and it doesn’t need a .heavy .91 4-stroke. I2-13 minutes on an 8 ounce tank . Some of my pattern buds (Ed Alt & Matt K.) have flown it and are favorably impressed. Needs some more mixing once the weather improves. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:57 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ' General pattern discussion '<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">“Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly with us, that was/is their choice.”</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“</SPAN></FONT>I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA”<FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">*********I would note that the direction taken by the NSRCA is based on the comments/feedback from the NSRCA membership….majority wins….minority is still welcome, but can choose to go play another game (SPA, BPA, vintage, etc)….it is nice to have the options.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If I had more time, and more of the SPA stuff was happening in my area, I’d love to put together a Dirty Birdy or Deception (some of my first planes)…..and the power plant would have to be modernized to accommodate noise….but, personally, I could never be happy with such a plane using a 4C….just doesn’t seem right to me. But I am happy to see others having fun with the older planes (however much they are being modified) and 4Cs.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Phil Spelt<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:37 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Well, Guys,<BR><BR>I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this is not the venue for that. Everyone is free to choose with whom to associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have chosen not to fly with us, that was/is their choice. If you check with Jason Shulman, you might find a different perspective.<BR><BR>I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA pattern - but we don't publicly criticize it, either. I judged several rounds at an AMA meet last season, and while I really like the turn around part, the judging reinforced my decision to fly SPA, only.<BR><BR>BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter stuff (engines and
airframes) you can email me privately...it would be great stuff @ a reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern, and up through Advanced.<BR><BR>At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That’s the reason I quite SPA also… 4-cycles!! There is not much challenge flying the old pattern with a overpowered (90 4c) engine. That was what made it hard! The scavenge-pot 60’s didn’t really have enough power, so you had to FLY the airplane…. If they are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY power plant!<BR> <BR>Tony Stillman, President<BR>Radio South, Inc.<BR>139 Altama Connector, Box 322<BR>Brunswick , GA 31525<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.radiosouthrc.com</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [<A href="http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Pete Cosky<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> jpavlick@idseng.com ; General pattern discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<BR></SPAN></FONT> <BR>I'm with you John. When I was into racing anything vintage had to
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Electrics in SPA? Jeez, that's kind of hard to stomach. Next they're going to allow electronic fuel-injection and anti-lock brakes in Vintage Sports Car Racing. LOL</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">To: " General pattern discussion " <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 9:50 AM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I don't understand the 13" prop bit either. On my Axi 4130-20 on 6 cells a 13" prop gives me around 500 watts.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">isn't any limit on prop sizes for IC engines is there? A flyer with an IC</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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