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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My guess upon introspection was that the white gas
I used lo these many years ago, was actuallly gasoline sans additives. One
of the additives missing was, of course, the red dye mixed with automotive
gasoline for identificatinn purposes, thus making a clear fluid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gene.maurice@sgmservice.com
href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">Gene Maurice</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 23, 2009 3:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Activities for a Sunday ,, was Too Quiet</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From
Wikipedia:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN>White gas</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN> is a
common name for two flammable substances. In its most common modern usage, it
is used as a generic name for camp stove and lantern fuel, usually <A
title=Naphtha href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha">Naphtha</A>.<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_gas#cite_note-0">[1]</A></SUP><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN>White gasoline</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN>, also
called <B>white gas</B> can also be a name for pure <A title=Gasoline
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline">gasoline</A>, without additives.
This was commonly used when leaded gas was normal, to prevent fouling in
situations where the properties of the <A title="Tetraethyl lead"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyl_lead">tetraethyl lead</A>
additive were not required.<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_gas#cite_note-1">[2]</A></SUP><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 23, 2009 3:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General
pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Activities for a
Sunday ,, was Too Quiet<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Remember, (or,
really, be informed) that the white gas I used in the mid-1940's came out of a
pump at a small gas station near our house. It came out of the same type
pumps that were used to pump automobile gas; in fact, it was in the same row
as the rest of the pumps. It seemed to work perfectly for my purpose of
the (then) spark ignition Ohlsson & Rice engines. And, even then,
Coleman fuel was considered by folks to be not white gas,but something
entirely different. As a kid, I was never told the difference, if, even
then, the "adults" knew the difference, or even if there was a
difference. I don't know, to this day.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bill</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=jferrell13@triad.rr.com href="mailto:jferrell13@triad.rr.com">John
Ferrell</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Sunday, November
22, 2009 11:01 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Activities for a Sunday ,, was Too
Quiet<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I am not sure
what you are calling "White Gas". If that means Coleman fuel, there may be a
problem...</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In the mid 1970's
I had the need to run a large outboard motor on Colman fuel. When mixed with
the appropriate oil the fuel worked fine.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Several years
later I had a prolem trying to run a Coleman catalytic heater on new
Coleman fuel. It just would not work. As near as I could
determine</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the Coleman fuel
had been changed to Naptha. At that point, I found another way to solve my
immediate problem and never revisted the Coleman
fuel</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">question.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The point: Better
seek recent experience with Coleman fule before counting on
it!</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR> <BR>"Extremism in
defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no
virtue."<BR>-Barry Goldwater<BR>"You don't get harmony when everybody sings
the same note."<BR>-Doug Floyd<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=billglaze@bellsouth.net href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">Bill
Glaze</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Saturday,
November 21, 2009 10:06 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Activities for a Sunday ,, was Too
Quiet<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>We used to use NOTHING BUT white gas in our
engines--with a mix of 70 wt. oil (also called by some, differential
grease) at ratio of 3/1 or 4/1. I'm talking about ignition Ohlsson
.60's and .23's as well as all the other contemporary engines. Long
time ago.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bill Glaze<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Saturday,
November 21, 2009 8:32 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Activities for a Sunday ,, was Too
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<P class=MsoNormal>I remember reading (Clarence Lee, I think) that
detonation due to lower octane is not a problem in the smaller
engines. Something about flame propogation... Of course,
this is the same person that said for years to use low nitro, low
percentage oil in four-strokes, and also not to run them inverted.
:-) Of course, I've known people to use white gas in their
ignition engines and never have a problem.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I've been told NOT to use 100LL fuel. Again,
there are people using it seemingly without problems.
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I've heard so much conflicting information that
I don't know what to believe. Unless I can run the engine with
some on-board sensors to measure the performance, temps, etc, I
think I'll stick with the manufacturer's
recommendation.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 11/20/09, brett terry
<I><brett.terry@gmail.com></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><BR>From: brett
terry <brett.terry@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Activities for a Sunday ,, was Too
Quiet<BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Friday,
November 20, 2009, 4:13 PM<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Some people use
it, and it smells good. However it has an octane rating of
somewhere around a 66-69. This will almost guarantee
detonation problems on a pipe.<BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Wayne
Galligan <<A
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wgalligan@att.net"
target=_blank>wgalligan@att.net</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Anyone
use white gas? And does it have the same power as regular
gasoline just not all the additives?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Wayne Galligan<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=rcmaster199@aol.com
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rcmaster199@aol.com"
target=_blank>rcmaster199@aol.com</A>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=patterndude@tx.rr.com
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=patterndude@tx.rr.com"
target=_blank>patterndude@tx.rr.com</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Monday, November 16, 2009 6:10 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Activities for a Sunday ,, was Too
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Avgas.....
Pleasant smell. A little pricy at 4.95$ per gallon.
(VBG)<BR><BR></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>
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