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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I like the geometry. Rather than the 1 ½ snap from knife edge,
how about a reverse knife edge across the top. That gets George’s use of
opposite rudder into play.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne
Galligan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Emailing: Omega<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>George,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Do
you really think that a knife edge loop is an advanced maneuver? I like
the geometry of this maneuver and your thoughts about proposing something
different. However the 1 1/2 snap on a looping knife edge really does put
it into an FAI category. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Keep
in mind this maneuver may not be that difficult on a sim but factor in real
life conditions and any kind of wind condition and this maneuver could be all
over the place considering knife edge and the 1 1/2 snap. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Wayne Galligan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net"
title="geobet4@verizon.net">GEORGE KENNIE</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, November
12, 2009 9:27 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Emailing: Omega<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Obviously,
the entry and exit radii require the same radial arc and should be no more
complex to judge than the four </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>corners
of a square loop.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Eliminating
the snap and a half at the top as suggested by Ramsey would relegate it to the
status of an Advanced </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>maneuver.
The difficulty of the KE loop is 90% in the bottom half, which is completely
missing</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>here
and the snap is included to increase the difficulty factor by requiring the
change to opposite rudder.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>G.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net"
title="jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N Hiller</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, November
11, 2009 10:16 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Emailing: Omega<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>No,
that works for me as a flier, but a specific radius may be difficult to judge
consistently. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I've
felt for a long time that that the maneuvers in our sequences utilize three
different radiuses full height and half and full height loops and small
radiuses used in facetted loops such as triangle, hex, octagon and square. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I
would not have a problem pulling a small radius sufficiently before center to
intersect with a centered full size loop, the bottom of which if projected
round would be at entrance or base line altitude, but again it may be hard to
judge. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>GEORGE
KENNIE<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Emailing: Omega</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>My feeling here is
that,..........if we now have maneuvers that make allowance for different roll
rates, maybe we should </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>consider making an allowance
for a maneuver with different, but specified radii. Especially if it
offers up some thing new</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>and a break with the status quo.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It's probably too much to
ask.......................</span><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>----- Original Message ----- </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net"
title="jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N Hiller</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:14 PM</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Emailing: Omega</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span class=EmailStyle21><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>George if it is to be flown with equal radiuses it
looks considerably different than the attached drawing. An equal R drawing is
attached here.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span class=EmailStyle21><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>In any case it would be interesting to fly.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span class=EmailStyle21><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span class=EmailStyle21><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>GEORGE
KENNIE<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Emailing: Omega</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I've been thinking about this
maneuver for quite a long time and thought I'd pass it along for consideration
by the Sequence Proposal guys.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It's meant to be a Masters level
maneuver and while it contains no integrated rolling elements it has some
challenging elements. It's a center</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>maneuver like an M and requires a
deft hand to present with symmetry and grace while still being a "safe
type" execution maneuver, in that it's a</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>looping maneuver performed AWAY
from ground level from an upright position with an upright exit, so the pucker
factor is minimized.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It's called an Omega, which
should be easily understood by it's apparent shape. Here's how it
goes. See what you think :</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>We're approaching center flying
from left to right. At a point before center, a distance equal to 1/4 the
radius of the loop, the model pulls through</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>a radius of 135 degrees to a 45
degree up line and immediately pushes into the arc of an outside loop which is
flown to the nine O'Clock position</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>where the model performs a 1/4
roll to knife edge and continues the radius of the loop to the 12 O'Clock
position where the model performs a One</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>and one-half snap and continuing
the loop radius to the 3 O'Clock position where the model once again performs a
1/4 roll and immediately pushes</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>to complete the remaining looping
segment and completing the maneuver by pulling through a 135 degree radius to
exit in upright level flight.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>There's nothing really hard here
guys, but the maneuver does demand respectable concentration. Think of it as a
strangely entered loop with a knife-</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>edge loop across the top 180
degrees with a snap and a half avalanche at the top. Roll and snap direction
are pilot's option.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Don't be too quick to
discount it. I've only done it on the Sim, but if I can do it, it should be
cake for the Masters guys.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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