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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jerry, I intend to try your suggestion. Even
if the header stays tight, I don't like to see this much vibration, inasmuch as,
even with the Hyde mount, it can't be doing the airframe and electrical
components any good.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If you were getting more power at 30%, then I sure
won't be rattling the engine with 15%; plus, it doesn't act as if it's on the
edge of detonation. Pump screw is flush with the housing, needle is open 2
clicks over 1-1/4 turns--everything seems to be right. The other day, whe
I flew it, Itached it at 8800 with an APC 16x10 that I like to use on the Focus
series.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net
href="mailto:JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net">Jerry Stebbins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking
For Props & Header</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill, best I remember it was actually
better--more power. But then we were running 30% heli. If it is rattling
around on 15% I sure would try it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">Bill
Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking
For Props & Header</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jerry:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks--do you have any idea about how many
r.p.m's it will cost me? I'm only running 15% fuel, and, as most know,
the easiest, (cheap and dirty) way to increase h.p. is by increasing
volumetric efficiency, and the easiest/cheapest way to do that is to
increase the engine's compression ratio. Just wondering how much h.p.
this will cost me. But, will probably still try it anyway--the shaking
is obscene.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net
href="mailto:JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net">Jerry Stebbins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009
1:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Looking For Props & Header</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill, it will not vibrate near as much if you
install an extra cylinder gasket. ( 2 needed on top of the cylinder)
Try it and it will tame the L down to a respectable level. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">Bill Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009
7:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Looking For Props & Header</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In my case, it's a fairly simple
problem. The 1.40L vibrates so much, that the stud unscrews from
the head, leaving the header dangling in space alongside the exhaust
port. I have about a foot of Teflon tubing between the outlet of
the header, and the inlet of the Hatori pipe. I also have their
(NMP) header brace in place to try to help stabilize the
header. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The engine has already, after about 6
flights, broken a Johnson Header; that's why I am trying the NMP.
I got the last NMP Central had in stock, and they said that the person
who was making them is not doing so any more. (That's what I was
told, anyway.) The Hatori pipe is sitting on one mount,
about halfway back on the pipe, and the whole outfit is free to move
back and forth along with the engine movement. I had hoped that,
with the entire mess moving, it would permit the stud to stay screwed in
the head. I'm worried lest the stud strip the threads in the
head. The instructions say that "some people have had the header
loosen" and to try a certain type of Permatex form-a-gasket
material. I've used this stuff before when I had a racing engine
business, but I certainly never used it in this type of
application.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It seems to me that the entire problem is
caused by the excessive engine vibration that the 1.40L is known
for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Any help?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=troy@troynewman.net href="mailto:troy@troynewman.net">Troy
Newman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 04,
2009 5:39 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Looking For Props & Header</DIV>
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<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
don’t know what you mean by will it stay
attached?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
new header is a wrap around style header like the previous NMP and the
Hatori 822 style headers. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">All
of the 120-170 engines have the same head configuration (meaning same
angle) and same thread size. SO the new header will fit all
120-170 engines.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">There
is one exception. The 120AC has the air box on the back of the head.
This prevents the use of the wrap around style headers on this engine.
Other than that they are all the same.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
NMP header was a really good header for the application. When we were
using Teflon tubing to connect the header to the pipe it was
excellent. The problem was Hatori went to the newer style pipes that
the header slides inside of the neck of the pipe with the o-ring. The
aluminum tubing used on the NMP header was not as bullet proof in this
application. Remember the Teflon when hot would flex. Now the header
and the pipe are attached to each other. The header slides inside the
pipe and the result is there is still movement but the stress on the
thin wall aluminum piping is higher. Breaking, and the header would
get a grove worn in it. Actually the o-ring would pinch the aluminum
tubing to a smaller diameter and the header-pipe combo would leak. The
added stress of vibration and the direct connection many folks would
break the header tubing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
new header is similar to the Hatori in terms of connection to the
pipe. So that swedging ( shrinking of the dia at the o-ring)
problem and the leaking should be solved. In my setup its
working well on the proto-type headers. Next issue is the tubing being
stronger to take the stress of the direct connection. The solution is
kind of unique and is working well. Some more testing and maybe a few
tweaks and its going to be a very good replacement for the Hatori 822
and 823.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Troy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Bill Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:05
AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Looking For Props &
Header<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Troy:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Will the
new header stay attached to the 1.40 L? Bill
Glaze</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=troy@troynewman.net href="mailto:troy@troynewman.net">Troy
Newman</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:35 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Looking For Props &
Header<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
don’t believe there is such a prop made as the 18.1-11 Narrow. It
doesn’t exist. I may be wrong but I have been involved with running
and testing the APC props in the 18.1 series and WPN series.
There is a prop that is designated as just 18-11 and this has
a narrower blade than the 18.1-11. The 18.1 series of props
have a very wide blade. The 18-11 is more like a 17-13 or 17-12 in
terms of blade shape but its 18in dia and 11
pitch.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
know there is a 16.5-12 I just pulled one out in my box-o-props and
it has a profile like a narrow prop very similar to the
17-10N…however it doesn’t have the designation as 16.5-12 narrow.
It’s just called the 16.5-12. If you handed it to me with the name
scratched off and said it was a 16.5-12 I would have said it was a
Narrow. Same goes for the 18-11 regular it’s a narrow
essentially as well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
don’t know for sure why the “W” designation or the “N” for narrow is
left off of some props and added to others. I think it has a lot to
do with the equations and program that is used to create the prop
profile. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To
sum up the props APC has the prop if it is or has been
produced. I don’t think Fred throws any of the molds away. So
if a prop was produced at one time it might be possible with some
convincing to get some of them produced again. I have been to the
factory where the props are produced. It amazing how they are
produced, and the quantity and quality of props produced for a given
size.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You
may not be asking for it by the proper name/designation….the 16.5-12
(is actually like a narrow) and the 18-11 is like a narrow version
of the 18.1-11<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As
for Headers…..the new header is in testing and is performing well.
The jury is still out, we are working hard to insure the bugs are
worked out. Right things are going well and real progress has been
made in the last couple months. It will be sooner rather than later
from the looks of things on the new headers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
hope this helps answer the questions<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Troy
Newman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>rjo626@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] Looking For Props &
Header<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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Hello all! I'm looking for APC 18.1x11 narrow, and 16.5x12 narrow.
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Central Hobbies and APC with no luck. Thanks a
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Later!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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