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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill, best I remember it was actually better--more
power. But then we were running 30% heli. If it is rattling around on 15% I sure
would try it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">Bill
Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking
For Props & Header</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks--do you have any idea about how many
r.p.m's it will cost me? I'm only running 15% fuel, and, as most know,
the easiest, (cheap and dirty) way to increase h.p. is by increasing
volumetric efficiency, and the easiest/cheapest way to do that is to increase
the engine's compression ratio. Just wondering how much h.p. this will
cost me. But, will probably still try it anyway--the shaking is
obscene.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net
href="mailto:JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net">Jerry Stebbins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking
For Props & Header</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill, it will not vibrate near as much if you
install an extra cylinder gasket. ( 2 needed on top of the cylinder)
Try it and it will tame the L down to a respectable level. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">Bill Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009
7:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Looking For Props & Header</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my case, it's a fairly simple
problem. The 1.40L vibrates so much, that the stud unscrews from the
head, leaving the header dangling in space alongside the exhaust
port. I have about a foot of Teflon tubing between the outlet of the
header, and the inlet of the Hatori pipe. I also have their (NMP)
header brace in place to try to help stabilize the
header. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The engine has already, after about 6
flights, broken a Johnson Header; that's why I am trying the NMP. I
got the last NMP Central had in stock, and they said that the person who
was making them is not doing so any more. (That's what I was told,
anyway.) The Hatori pipe is sitting on one mount, about
halfway back on the pipe, and the whole outfit is free to move back and
forth along with the engine movement. I had hoped that, with the
entire mess moving, it would permit the stud to stay screwed in the
head. I'm worried lest the stud strip the threads in the head.
The instructions say that "some people have had the header loosen" and to
try a certain type of Permatex form-a-gasket material. I've used
this stuff before when I had a racing engine business, but I certainly
never used it in this type of application.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems to me that the entire problem is
caused by the excessive engine vibration that the 1.40L is known
for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any help?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=troy@troynewman.net href="mailto:troy@troynewman.net">Troy
Newman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 04, 2009
5:39 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Looking For Props & Header</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
don’t know what you mean by will it stay attached?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
new header is a wrap around style header like the previous NMP and the
Hatori 822 style headers. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">All
of the 120-170 engines have the same head configuration (meaning same
angle) and same thread size. SO the new header will fit all
120-170 engines.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">There
is one exception. The 120AC has the air box on the back of the head.
This prevents the use of the wrap around style headers on this engine.
Other than that they are all the same.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
NMP header was a really good header for the application. When we were
using Teflon tubing to connect the header to the pipe it was excellent.
The problem was Hatori went to the newer style pipes that the header
slides inside of the neck of the pipe with the o-ring. The aluminum
tubing used on the NMP header was not as bullet proof in this
application. Remember the Teflon when hot would flex. Now the header and
the pipe are attached to each other. The header slides inside the pipe
and the result is there is still movement but the stress on the thin
wall aluminum piping is higher. Breaking, and the header would get a
grove worn in it. Actually the o-ring would pinch the aluminum tubing to
a smaller diameter and the header-pipe combo would leak. The added
stress of vibration and the direct connection many folks would break the
header tubing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
new header is similar to the Hatori in terms of connection to the pipe.
So that swedging ( shrinking of the dia at the o-ring) problem and
the leaking should be solved. In my setup its working well on the
proto-type headers. Next issue is the tubing being stronger to take the
stress of the direct connection. The solution is kind of unique and is
working well. Some more testing and maybe a few tweaks and its going to
be a very good replacement for the Hatori 822 and
823.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Troy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Bill Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:05
AM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Looking For Props &
Header<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Troy:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Will the new
header stay attached to the 1.40 L? Bill
Glaze</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=troy@troynewman.net href="mailto:troy@troynewman.net">Troy
Newman</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern
discussion</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Wednesday,
November 04, 2009 12:35 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Looking For Props &
Header<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
don’t believe there is such a prop made as the 18.1-11 Narrow. It
doesn’t exist. I may be wrong but I have been involved with running
and testing the APC props in the 18.1 series and WPN series.
There is a prop that is designated as just 18-11 and this has a
narrower blade than the 18.1-11. The 18.1 series of props have a
very wide blade. The 18-11 is more like a 17-13 or 17-12 in terms of
blade shape but its 18in dia and 11 pitch.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
know there is a 16.5-12 I just pulled one out in my box-o-props and it
has a profile like a narrow prop very similar to the 17-10N…however it
doesn’t have the designation as 16.5-12 narrow. It’s just called the
16.5-12. If you handed it to me with the name scratched off and said
it was a 16.5-12 I would have said it was a Narrow. Same goes
for the 18-11 regular it’s a narrow essentially as
well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
don’t know for sure why the “W” designation or the “N” for narrow is
left off of some props and added to others. I think it has a lot to do
with the equations and program that is used to create the prop
profile. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">To
sum up the props APC has the prop if it is or has been produced.
I don’t think Fred throws any of the molds away. So if a prop was
produced at one time it might be possible with some convincing to get
some of them produced again. I have been to the factory where the
props are produced. It amazing how they are produced, and the quantity
and quality of props produced for a given size.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">You
may not be asking for it by the proper name/designation….the 16.5-12
(is actually like a narrow) and the 18-11 is like a narrow version of
the 18.1-11<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">As
for Headers…..the new header is in testing and is performing well. The
jury is still out, we are working hard to insure the bugs are worked
out. Right things are going well and real progress has been made in
the last couple months. It will be sooner rather than later from the
looks of things on the new headers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
hope this helps answer the questions<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Troy
Newman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>rjo626@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] Looking For Props &
Header<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Hello all! I'm looking for APC 18.1x11 narrow, and 16.5x12 narrow.
Also,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">anyone
have a good NMP pattern header they're willing to part with / sell?
I've <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">tried
Central Hobbies and APC with no luck. Thanks a
bunch!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Later!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
RJO<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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