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Hey Troy and Jon,<br>I fly 12X.<br>I ain't seeing the picture of the double sided tape mod when <br>I go to your link.<br>JLK<br><br>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:36:33 -0500<br>> From: jonlowe@aol.com<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12X Failure<br>> <br>> Troy, thanks for posting the link. They should have mailed it to every <br>> registered 12x owner. I don't know why they made such a complicated <br>> charger if it doesn't peak detect. Think I will go back to a standard <br>> wall wart at a lower charge rate for overnite charging. High capacity <br>> NiMh cells (anything over 1650 mah) do NOT like to be overcharged. In <br>> fact Radical RC recommends charging them at less than C/10. Their <br>> discussion on high capacity NiMh cells is a good read. See the <br>> discussion about 2500mah cells about halfway down this page:<br>> <br>> http://www.radicalrc.com/shop/?shop=1&cart=3170843&cat=20<br>> <br>> I'm glad Horizon FINALLY addressed the problem of the battery coming <br>> loose in the transmitter which is at the bottom of the link. The <br>> battery cassette doesn't have to move far to have it come loose and <br>> lose contact. I lost an airplane early this year (not a 2m) because <br>> of it. It has been an issue since they put the cassette in the 10x and <br>> carried the design over to the 12x. I know of several people who lost <br>> airplanes because the pack came loose and the transmitter shut off <br>> during flight. The way they have the charge plug going directly into <br>> the pack causes the pack to loosen when you pull the plug out after <br>> charging. I solved the problem by drilling a small hole in the bottom <br>> of the transmitter body and thru the latch tab on the battery door and <br>> put a tiny sheet metal screw in holding the door shut. A friend just <br>> uses a piece of packing tape to hold his door solidly shut. The door <br>> design aggravates the issue because the latch doesn't really lock <br>> solidly into place. I wish they had gone back to the tried and true <br>> battery lead and plug design.<br>> <br>> I emailed Horizon about the issue and never received a reply. My Dad, <br>> a JR Team Member, did likewise, and did not receive a reply. In fact, <br>> I have NEVER received a reply to emails sent to Horizon. However, <br>> their service department is second to none. Turnaround is really fast, <br>> and they do a good job.<br>> <br>> Jon Lowe<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: glmiller3@suddenlink.net<br>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>> Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 6:34 am<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12X Failure<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Troy,<br>> <br>> I just actually read the battery bulletin linked in you note. I like <br>> the 12X<br>> battery even less now.<br>> <br>> So I guess in Japan they have 10 hours to sit around their shop <br>> continuously<br>> monitoring their transmitter batteries temperature and intermittently <br>> checking<br>> it's actual voltage....well welcome to america- I don't!<br>> <br>> Any one know of a good replacement battery system for the 12 X?<br>> <br>> G<br>> ---- Troy Newman <troy@troynewman.net> wrote:<br>> <br>> =============<br>> Try a different TX battery.<br>> <br>> I have heard reports of this screen flashing issue with bad TX<br>> batteries. It works fine in the system menu because it's not<br>> transmitting. As soon as it tries to transmit the battery can't handle<br>> the load. If you have a 10X the battery will fit in the 12X and work<br>> just fine.<br>> <br>> The PC program is not data safe. Data Safe as a product was a Horizon<br>> hobby product that was an aftermarket product that saved the program as<br>> a file on your PC....It was not a JR Japan product.<br>> <br>> The 12X comes with a program that allows you to back up and edit the<br>> programs on the PC. It came with your 12X as a free accessory. It is 12X<br>> specific. Works very very well.<br>> <br>> The reason data safe doesn't work is because the 12X was not around when<br>> Data Safe or Data Safe Ultra was written by a 3rd party vendor.<br>> <br>> By the way the 12X program only does the 12X, but is very cool in that<br>> you can see and print all settings, and even edit setting right on the<br>> PC then load it back into the TX.<br>> <br>> <br>> JR Japan has another program that has the same look and feel as the 12X<br>> program, but it works with the older radios. It looks exactly the same<br>> but because it goes backwards in compatibility it doesn't do the 12X.<br>> <br>> Onto your 12X it's not a bad a idea to have HH check it out, but I would<br>> bet it's a battery issue. On another note the charger that comes with<br>> your 12X is not a peak detection charger...even though it kind of looks<br>> like one and the manual seems to imply that it is. This charger should<br>> not be used on the 12X battery for than 10hrs. The battery will become<br>> very hot and will shorten its life. A bulletin was issues earlier this<br>> year regarding the charger.<br>> <br>> http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Support.aspx?ProdID=JRP12001<br>> <br>> If your charger was left on for 2-3 days like some folks have reported<br>> before the light when solid, and or the battery got very hot this could<br>> be the reason for the battery failure. Contact HH and they will be able<br>> to help you. In the mean time try a good 10X battery cartridge if you<br>> have one. If not let me know offline and I'll send you mine from my 10X<br>> to hold you over or at least get everything off the 12X you have.<br>> <br>> Troy Newman<br>> Team JR / Horizon Hobby<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<br> </body>
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