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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>OK, Vince, at your suggestion I re-read the
proposal. I can honestly say that I am even more convinced it's a bad idea. The
main reason being that for the proposal to work it requires the sequences
to be removed from the rule book giving the NSRCA free reign over the schedules.
This is a suggestion that I'm dead-set against. The more I think about it and
the more I hear, the less I want the NSRCA to have sole control over the
sequences. My latest argument against it that I recently thought of is
probably the strongest. That being: the NSRCA does not represent all pattern
pilots. Not everyone that competes is an NSRCA member, and not every member of
the NSRCA competes (So they don't have a dog in the hunt anyway). Let's say a
very non-scientific poll is taken by the NSRCA (as they all are) showing that
55% of their members are in favor of a proposal. OK, sounds like a majority,
let's let it pass, right? Wrong. What about the non-NSRCA members? What if
they're ALL against it and let's say that puts 60% against amongst actual
pattern pilots? Not that it really matters to the NSRCA, because they'll just
say "Well, they should have joined." From my point of view the NSRCA should be
there to serve pattern regardless of how many members it has. Lately to me it
seems more about serving the agenda of a select few people. As well-intentioned
as their actions may be, they may be going against the majority. I don't trust
any one organization having the sole authority to do anything. There has to be a
check to the NSRCA's actions for non-members, and that is the contest
board. Yeah, they may not enjoy having to deal with all the rules changes
associated with the maneuver sequences, but there MUST be a way for non-NSRCA
members to have their voices heard, and the contest board is that recourse.
Taking actions like some of the ones proposed this year is like opening
Pandora's Box. Once this is done, it can never be put back if it doesn't work
because the contest board would never accept the responsibility again. I'd just
like to say thanks to Keith Black for helping me solidify my view on these
matters this weekend, our conversation really got me thinking.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vicenterc@comcast.net href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">Vicente
"Vince" Bortone</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:35
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] ENJOY
PATTERN. IT WAS "Rules proposal 11-6 question"</DIV>
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<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Matt,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I have been
trying to follow all the e-mails in regard the proposal 11-6. Just too
much work in the last few weeks and I never had chance to respond or
didn't see any feedback after I responded to Lance. Also the
subject changed too many times. I am taking this opportunity to explain
you with more detail the reasons we introduced the proposal. I suggest
that you review one more time the proposal that can be found in the
following link:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/RCA11-6.pdf">http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/RCA11-6.pdf</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">We tried to
explain in the proposal the reasons why suggested the change. I
understand that we could have done a better job justifying the proposal.
This motivated Lance to ask some questions and I tried to explain when I
responded to Lance. I would like to take this opportunity to add the
following:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">1. I have
been flying Masters for 5-6 years. It is evident that in the last few
years at the local contest we had 8-10 Masters Pilots with no FAI pilots in
some cases. In order to balance the contest, we have been dividing the
group in two and 1/2 of the Masters Pilots fly FAI to help to balance the
contest. We have been doing this for fun and to help the CD to run
the contest. However, I believe that it will be a lot easier and
fare if we fly approximately similar schedule. Please notice that
the proposal suggest that NSRCA committee is free to change the maneuvers that
are not proper for Masters level like integrated rolling maneuvers and
landing and takeoff should be judged. We missed to add that the
NSRCA committee could change turn around maneuvers that don't flow
well. Probably this could be added in the
revision.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">2.
Clearly next year I will have the pressure to fly both Masters and FAI-P11 in
order to get ready for the season. This represents a lot more work for
me. If we adopt FAI-P11, I will guess that the maneuver #1 is
probably the only one that needs to be changed. I read some e-mails that
suggest that the turn around after #1 does not flow well. If we change
these two maneuvers it will be a lot easier for Masters Pilots to switch
around Masters and FAI-P in local contest. Probably some will suggest
that the loop with the integrated 8 point roll should not be in Masters.
However, I think this maneuver should be left as is. I believe that this
maneuver is a very good one to learn integrated rolling maneuvers.
I tried and it is fun.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">3. If we
adopt FAI-P schedule with modifications, it will be easier for Master pilots
to make the decision to switch to fly FAI because we will need to
learn the F schedule only. Yes, I know that some of us will
never consider flying the FAI F. If you ask me, I will really like
to try. Are the integrated rolling maneuvers difficult for me?
Yes. Again, I really will like to try. I believe that this change
will facilitate this process.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">4.
Finally, please don't forget that we have to judge. It will be a lot
easier and the level of judging will improve a lot if we fly approximately the
same schedule. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">5. It
will be interesting to guess how this change could benefit the high level
pilots in Masters to try FAI at the Nats. I am sure that some can help
me. I know that if I fly Masters at the Nats I will be better prepare to
judge FAI P schedule. The only pressure is to get ready to judge F
schedule so the work load at the Nats is somehow reduced for the Masters and
FAI competitors.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
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regards,</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN><BR>Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Matthew
Frederick" <mjfrederick@cox.net><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009
9:42:16 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YOU
DON'T HAVE TO COMPETE TO ENJOY PATTERN<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Umm, I don't think anyone threated to quit after
seeing the Advanced pattern. I said I would quit after Advanced if we adopt
the F3A P sequence for Masters. I haven't even looked at the new Advanced
pattern yet mainly because if I continue at this rate without throwing a
contest here and there I will point out of Advanced before I ever get to fly
the new one in competition... and I've only flown Advanced in 3
contests!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=frankjuliei@comcast.net href="mailto:frankjuliei@comcast.net"
target=_blank>frank</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>'General
pattern discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:03
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] YOU DON'T
HAVE TO COMPETE TO ENJOY PATTERN</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Having read the response of one
fellow who threatened to quit after seeing the new proposed
Advanced sequence ( all sequences look great, IMO), may I respectfully
suggest that you continue to practice and enjoy this great hobby
sport even if you feel that you can’t be competitive. I compete very little
by choice( was once a very active UKIE competitor- for two decades)
,but still practice( in most weather conditions) and enjoy pattern as much
as anyone I know ( I fly with some very active, die hard flyers who can
attest). I’d probably be bored out of my skull if I flew sport again and
don’t wish to fly anything but pattern aircraft. Try taking a year off and
practice the hell out of the new sequence- you might surprise yourself and
will definitely become a better pilot to boot. Please take no offense,
just my .02.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
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