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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Disagreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What’s the point in having a system with paperwork for several
steps that no one either cares about, knows about, and just goes into a circular
file at AMA?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Forcing people to move up to a higher class because of an
arbitrary points system or forcing them to stay in a class they are not capable
of flying without a pointless paper process serves no good purpose IMO. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If there is adjusting, revising, etc. to the system that would
be better than no system have you submitted a proposal to AMA?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill
Glaze<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Agreed.
Bill Glaze</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net"
title="ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Sunday, October 25,
2009 11:30 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>One more opinion here-<br>
<br>
Point has been made that for the most part we don't have a sandbagging problem
-<br>
I think that is generally true. In part because we do have an Advancement
process that<br>
is a foundation upon which peer pressure rests. I think not having
any system is an over <br>
reaction. I am in favor of adjusting, revising, etc, the
advancement system as may be <br>
helpful.<br>
<br>
Ron Lockhart<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Tony" <tony@radiosouthrc.com><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:00:57 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>As AMA District 5 VP, I have just signed one as John describes for
a D5 member that wanted to move back to Advanced from Masters. I don’t
know of any requests that have been denied by an AMA VP.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>Tony Stillman, President</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>Radio South, Inc.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>1-800-962-7802</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>www.radiosouthrc.com</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Konneker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 23, 2009 9:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I was curious about this
procedure last winter and did some research.<br>
The form is obtained from the AMA and is filled out in duplicate.<br>
The requester states his reason for asking to move back.<br>
He then has a CD and his AMA district contest board member sign it.<br>
You can find the contest board member list in the back of every other month's
Model Aviation or on the AMA website.<br>
After that it goes to your AMA district VP who forwards both forms on to Muncie
after he signs them.<br>
AMA Muncie does not approve, disapprove, grant or deny these request.
They only place one copy on file<br>
and return the other copy to the requester.<br>
Done.<br>
As a CD I would sign anyone's request that was sincere for whatever the reason.<br>
I bet the contest board member would be the same.<br>
The AMA DVP will sign based on the previous recommendations.<br>
JLK<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:42:14
-0700<br>
From: humptybump@sbcglobal.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>...Read section eight of the rule
book...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Under current rules you can move
up but not down. However, there is a very specific exception that allows
one to petition the AMA by submitting a form that, once approved, allows
reclassification to a lower class due to various reasons including, but not limited
to, disability, breaks from flying, etc...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Bob
Richards <bob@toprudder.com><br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 23, 2009 8:16:46 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>You mean if I have not flown pattern AT ALL in 12 years, I
can fly Intermediate now?? :-)<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Thu, 10/22/09, Joe Lachowski <i><jlachow@hotmail.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>You know we have a 4 yr sliding scale in
effect from the last rules cycle. Has anybody looked at how it has
affected oneself in this regard. Just curious. It maybe good enough without
makng anymore changes?<o:p></o:p></p>
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