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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ha ha. Me too. Nah, keep on doing whatever makes
you happy. VBG</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A
href="http://www.idseng.com">http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 23, 2009 9:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
proposal 11-6 question</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Jeez,
John,<BR><BR>I weigh everything on my planes. I've designed many of my own
components because I can shave ounces. You think.... maybe...... I should
stop? (bg)<BR><BR>MK<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: John Pavlick <<A
href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">jpavlick@idseng.com</A>><BR>To: General
pattern discussion <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Fri, Oct 23, 2009 9:05 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal
11-6 question<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Not to sound like a malcontent: The "Advancement" rule
carries about as much importance as the "weight" rule as far as I can see. At
least at most local contests. When was the last time you had to weigh your
airplane and / or tell the CD how many Advancement points you had accumulated?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Don't sweat this stuff guys. Unless you're trying to win
the NAT's, just have fun playing with your toy airplanes. Jeez.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
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<A title=jlachow@hotmail.com href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">Joe
Lachowski</A> </DIV>
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Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:25 PM</DIV>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>You know we have a 4 yr sliding scale in
effect from the last rules cycle. Has anybody looked at how it has
affected oneself in this regard. Just curious. It maybe good enough without
makng anymore changes?<BR>
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From: <A
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Date:
Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:16:37 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
proposal 11-6 question<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN class=ecxEmailStyle22><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
disagree. If were to have any kind of mandatory advancement, it needs to be
based on the individual's performance not contest
placement.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>michael s
harrison<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
October 22, 2009 12:44 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'General pattern
discussion'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Calibri
color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I
personally don’t think the mandatory system should be abandoned, but it
should be overhauled. I would recommend something on the order of 5
points for 1<SUP>st</SUP>, 3 for 2<SUP>nd</SUP> and 1 for 3<SUP>rd</SUP> for
a total of maybe 50 points, with the stipulation that you will have to have
2 first place finishes for required advancement. That scenario would
give the pilot 1<SUP>st</SUP> place at 10 contests before movement is
required. If the pilot never places first, he would never be required
to advance. Another stipulation is that a minimum of 3 pilots
compete. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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color=#1f497d size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">I
believe that pilots that are truly competitive will move up voluntarily-most
of the time. However, a safeguard- or check and balance system is
warranted, IMO.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Anthony
Abdullah<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
October 22, 2009 12:54 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Jim,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">You make some excellent points and in
large part I agree with you. I don't, however, see how your response has
addressed the food for thought questions I presented. Let me put it a
different way that might make more sense.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Masters is the "accepted" destination
class, but every pattern pilot has his own destination class based on a
number of factors. In a perfect world every individual internally
defines thier destination class, and I think that is what you are saying
below. Know your abilities and life situation and fly in the appropriate
class for your skills until you feel the need to move up. What I was
suggesting we think about is addressing some of the external factors that
push people to a class they are not prepared for or interested
in.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">At the end of the day, it feels like I
am closing the door after the horse is already out of the barn because
this issue has already been addressed, for the most part. I think
removing forced advancement and allowing movement up and down between
classes will solve those problems.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">So, like the old Saturday Night Live
sketch.... Nevermind. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> J N Hiller
<<A
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, October 22, 2009
12:58:49 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=ecxemailstyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think the right approach is on
the way, dump mandatory advancement and allow moving back and change the
advanced sequence every two years.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=ecxemailstyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Like most voluntary activities
we name our own poison. I voluntarily moved to masters because I was getting
too complacent flying advanced. If we had gotten a new sequence for 09-10 I
probably would have stayed. The gage I use is my contest (all 5 or 6 rounds)
raw score average. By mid season the second year it was dropping a clear
indication that my interest was dropping and needed additional
challenges.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=ecxemailstyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For most of us proficiency
flying pattern includes a lot of experience / stick time flying in all
conditions over an extended period of time and has nothing to do with how
many times you beat someone that's having a bad day or can't get out to
practice. Some of us still have work and family commitments that take
priority.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=ecxemailstyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stay in advanced until you feel
the need for something more challenging or through several sequence changes.
Each new sequence teaches new lessons and offers valuable experience and the
opportunity to fly a sequence your comfortable with in adverse weather
conditions. Flying in adverse conditions only compounds the difficulty when
moving up. For example, maintaining figure M geometry, track and position in
a 15-20 MPH wind is about twice as hard and probably 4 times as hard as
flying the 6-side outside loop on a windy day. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=ecxemailstyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As for the pile up in masters
ask them how long they have flown pattern been in masters. Probably half
have flown with and against each other from pre-turnaround and likely will
continue. AMA masters class is and has been a destination class for a very
long time not a steeping stone to FAI. In years past FAI team selection was
through a masters selection program and FAI wasn't even flown at most local
contests. Adding FAI at local contests allowed them to fly a single event /
schedule only effectively reducing masters class numbers.
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=ecxemailstyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The bottom line is, fly and
compete where you are comfortable and judge your ability by your own scores
as a percent of maximum K rather than on how well someone else flies or
doesn't fly.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=ecxemailstyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sorry about getting on my soap
box but I really like the challenge of flying pattern and traveling around
flying with old and new friends. It never gets any easier but it is always
fun and I wouldn't have it any other way.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=ecxMsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=ecxemailstyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim Hiller
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Abdullah<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
October 22, 2009 7:47 AM<BR><B><SPAN
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discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><BR>Is the log jam of people
in Masters as much a function of it being "acceptable" to park
there as much as anything else? I am a "relatively competent" advanced
pilot, I don't win the class but I am usually competitive and have on
occasion played the part of spoiler, I already feel the pressure to move up
to masters even though I still have not mastered advanced. Would there be
more people in advanced if it felt ok to stay there until you felt
completely comfortable with all elements of the class? would
that equlize participant distribution in other classes? I know a
couple of people in D4 that are doing well in advanced but not consistantly
dominant. If they move up to masters they will almost certainly have
less fun and will absolutely struggle at contests. Should they be allowed to
stay in advanced forever if they like? Perhaps that is the limit of their
natural flying ability or the highest level they can ascend to given their
life situation (work, practice time, budget, etc). On the other side, I
spoke with D5 pilot this summer that said "I should not be in masters,
I moved up because it was time to but i can't really fly this pattern as
well as I need to, I just don't have enough time to practice".
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I don't know what the right approach
is but we should consider the entire picture as we look for answers.
The problem may now be with the sequences at all, but with the general
feeling that a particular pilot has to move up before they are ready. I
guess that is the old advancement discussion again.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<<A
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion <<A
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11:26:02 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>8 to 1 middle
of the 9th.<BR>In regards to the sequences, I am probably in the minority
but I think the lower classes need to be a little harder. Probably
even Masters. Most areas of the country are seeing a bunching up in
Masters. I like it, makes for good competition in that class. I
do not want to come in second in my class (and last) :)<BR>Perhaps if the
classes were a little more difficult people would not move up as
quickly. Put more difficult rolling maneuvers in advanced, add some
integrated rolling maneuvers into Masters. Would there be more fliers
in the lower classes, would the classes be more even? Don't
know. Is this what we want?<BR><BR>Should someone be "prepared" to go
to the next higher class from their current class? There needs to be
an increase in difficulty which there is. You should have to work at
the next class when moving up.<BR><BR>Rollers, love to watch them done well,
but can't do them well :) They really do use a lot of real estate
though and sort of goes against the idea of decreased space use that we have
with turnaround. IMAC has the same problem. They have a score
for proper airspace use which includes a reduced footprint but has rollers
in all 3 or the upper classes :)<BR><BR>Stuart
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