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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Could
I ask where are the holes? LOL<br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Mark Hunt" <flyintexan@att.net><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:50:29 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
<br>
I'm one step ahead...mine have lightening holes already:)<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan@att.net><br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 06:48<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
<br>
<br>
Pattern designed undergarments.... D6 will never be the same.<br>
<br>
Wayne Galligan<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack@gmail.com><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:17 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
<br>
<br>
Matt, you’re not the first one to say that, but quite frankly I don’t<br>
understand this attitude of “I’m not going to play anymore if I don’t<br>
get my way :-( ”. This isn’t a kindergarten playground.<br>
<br>
Anyone who would quit because of a rules change must not love the<br>
hobby/sport. What are you going to do? Go fly Zaggies or gliders or<br>
maybe spend your time fishing? Man, that'll beat the heck out of<br>
having to comply with that new pattern rule.<br>
<br>
Sorry to be harsh, but please! The way I look at it is I REALLY love<br>
pattern and I’m sticking with it no matter what changes until I tire<br>
of it or find something I enjoy more. I’ll try and influence the rules<br>
when I believe it’s constructive but once the debate is over it’s time<br>
to fly! Everyone has to play by the same rules. Just give me the<br>
sequence and tell me when I'm up. Big plane, little plane, electric,<br>
glow… hell, I’ll even wear the special pattern approved underwear if<br>
necessary as long as it’s a level playing field. ;-)<br>
<br>
Hopefully no hard feelings Matt.<br>
<br>
Keith Black<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick@cox.net><br>
wrote:<br>
> I've been out of town, so I'm just now seeing this discussion. I can<br>
> honsetly say right now I will stop flying pattern once I'm done with<br>
> Advanced if this rule goes through.<br>
><br>
> Matt<br>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Atwood, Mark" <br>
> <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>
> To: <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:17 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Couldnt agree more...<br>
>> --------------------------<br>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>> Sent: Wed Oct 21 19:08:22 2009<br>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
>><br>
>> Mark, regardless of whether we make any of the classes harder, I don't<br>
>> think<br>
>> equipment should factor into what maneuvers should be flown in each <br>
>> class.<br>
>> About 5 years ago, I was forced to move up from sportsman because I
beat <br>
>> 4<br>
>> other pilots, 2 were flying trainers and one was flying a sport plane.
It<br>
>> was my second contest and I was flying a 60 Kaos. I know we fixed this<br>
>> issue but it illustrates that this sport does require some level of<br>
>> investment in equipment (programmable radio and an aerobatic capable<br>
>> plane).<br>
>><br>
>> I understand where Duane is coming from. After 4 years in intermediate
I<br>
>> still get the pucker factor when flying from time to time especially
in<br>
>> the<br>
>> wind. The first consideration when designing schedules is safety. I<br>
>> wouldn't want a sportsman or intermediate pilot loosing his plane due
to<br>
>> brain overload.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood,<br>
>> Mark<br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:32 PM<br>
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org'<br>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
>><br>
>> You raise another interesting point regarding moving 4pts and slow
rolls<br>
>> down a level and that's the demand on equipment. Currently, knife edge<br>
>> trim, while nice, is not essential for the intermediate pattern.
Changing<br>
>> that also changes the level of equipment, radios especially, required
for<br>
>> that sequence. Currently my son competes with a Kaos 40 (single
aileron<br>
>> servo so no differential) on a basic radio. He has no mixes on the
plane,<br>
>> nor does he really need any.<br>
>><br>
>> -M<br>
>> --------------------------<br>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>> Sent: Tue Oct 20 20:45:18 2009<br>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
>><br>
>> The two-point in Sportsman was intimidating enough until I started<br>
>> following<br>
>> the trimming chart and moved my CG back so it doesn't drop nearly as <br>
>> much.<br>
>> Now, if only I had adjustable wing incidence to fix the pull to belly
in<br>
>> knife edge. I'll try some 2/4 and see if I can work up to 4/4 without<br>
>> unduly risking my airplane.<br>
>><br>
>> Duane<br>
>><br>
>>> From: "Dave" <DaveL322@comcast.net><br>
>>> To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'd like to hear from the Sportsman. Do you want a 4 point in<br>
>>> Intermediate, or is Intermediate intimidating enough? Consider
going<br>
>>> from a partial turnaround sequence to a full turnaround sequence?
How<br>
>>> about in a 20 mph blow in crosswind? Are you ready to trim your
plane<br>
>>> for knife edge flight?<br>
>><br>
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