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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This advancement system doesn’t affect me one way or the
other. I was trying to present a system for the rare possible
offender. I don’t feel my point was well read or understood. For
example Mark abuse in Masters/FAI is not possible since those are open choices.
The only person that could be called to question is the person that has won 1<sup>st</sup>
place at least 10 times or 2<sup>nd</sup> place 15 times with a 1<sup>st</sup> thrown
in, but do as you wish. Either of those examples would take 2-3 years to happen
unless someone goes to a contest every weekend for the season. Presently,
the offense doesn’t so much occur because the system is now in place
sending the message-Move up when it is time, we are watching.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As far as a national system, all the results are sent in to AMA
every contest. The info is there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am fine with whatever. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Atwood,
Mark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Exactly, and this is the conundrum. There is no good way
to do that. We’ve tried the sliding scale over a number of years
and that really hasn’t change anything. Those who “Top
out” near the top of a class eventually get stuck moving to the class
above where they really don’t belong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There seems to be lots of worry about abuse…and yet no one
has ever really had an example of any. We don’t have
“abuse” in Masters/FAI, why do we assume that we’ll have it
between Masters/Advanced…or Advanced/Sportsman? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>At the end of the day, if you can’t beat the guy, you have
room for improvement. I think the concern about abuse is
speculation at best. Worst case, we eliminate the points system, we have
MASSIVE sandbagging (I know Jason is probably studying the 2011 advanced
pattern as we speak…though he can fly that under the CURRENT rules since
he never flew masters) and we change the rule back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Let’s give “open class movement” a try.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J N
Hiller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I
disagree. If were to have any kind of mandatory advancement, it needs to be
based on the individual's performance not contest placement.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>michael s
harrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I personally don’t
think the mandatory system should be abandoned, but it should be
overhauled. I would recommend something on the order of 5 points for 1<sup>st</sup>,
3 for 2<sup>nd</sup> and 1 for 3<sup>rd</sup> for a total of maybe 50 points,
with the stipulation that you will have to have 2 first place finishes for
required advancement. That scenario would give the pilot 1<sup>st</sup>
place at 10 contests before movement is required. If the pilot never
places first, he would never be required to advance. Another stipulation
is that a minimum of 3 pilots compete. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I believe that pilots that
are truly competitive will move up voluntarily-most of the time. However,
a safeguard- or check and balance system is warranted, IMO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony
Abdullah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'>Jim,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'>You make
some excellent points and in large part I agree with you. I don't, however, see
how your response has addressed the food for thought questions I presented. Let
me put it a different way that might make more sense.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'>Masters
is the "accepted" destination class, but every pattern pilot has his
own destination class based on a number of factors. In a perfect world
every individual internally defines thier destination class, and I think that
is what you are saying below. Know your abilities and life situation and fly in
the appropriate class for your skills until you feel the need to move up. What
I was suggesting we think about is addressing some of the external factors that
push people to a class they are not prepared for or interested in.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'>At the
end of the day, it feels like I am closing the door after the horse is
already out of the barn because this issue has already been addressed, for the
most part. I think removing forced advancement and allowing movement up
and down between classes will solve those problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'>So, like
the old Saturday Night Live sketch.... Nevermind. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:58:49 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I think the right
approach is on the way, dump mandatory advancement and allow moving back and
change the advanced sequence every two years.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Like most voluntary
activities we name our own poison. I voluntarily moved to masters because I was
getting too complacent flying advanced. If we had gotten a new sequence for
09-10 I probably would have stayed. The gage I use is my contest (all 5 or 6
rounds) raw score average. By mid season the second year it was dropping a
clear indication that my interest was dropping and needed additional
challenges.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For most of us
proficiency flying pattern includes a lot of experience / stick time flying in
all conditions over an extended period of time and has nothing to do with how
many times you beat someone that's having a bad day or can't get out to
practice. Some of us still have work and family commitments that take priority.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stay in advanced
until you feel the need for something more challenging or through several
sequence changes. Each new sequence teaches new lessons and offers valuable
experience and the opportunity to fly a sequence your comfortable with in
adverse weather conditions. Flying in adverse conditions only compounds the
difficulty when moving up. For example, maintaining figure M geometry, track
and position in a 15-20 MPH wind is about twice as hard and probably 4 times as
hard as flying the 6-side outside loop on a windy day. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>As for the pile up in
masters ask them how long they have flown pattern been in masters. Probably
half have flown with and against each other from pre-turnaround and likely will
continue. AMA masters class is and has been a destination class for a very long
time not a steeping stone to FAI. In years past FAI team selection was through
a masters selection program and FAI wasn't even flown at most local contests.
Adding FAI at local contests allowed them to fly a single event / schedule only
effectively reducing masters class numbers. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The bottom line is,
fly and compete where you are comfortable and judge your ability by your own
scores as a percent of maximum K rather than on how well someone else flies or
doesn't fly.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sorry about getting
on my soap box but I really like the challenge of flying pattern and traveling
around flying with old and new friends. It never gets any easier but it is
always fun and I wouldn't have it any other way.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jim Hiller </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle18><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony
Abdullah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Here is
a silly question:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'><br>
Is the log jam of people in Masters as much a function of it being
"acceptable" to park there as much as anything else? I am a
"relatively competent" advanced pilot, I don't win the class but I am
usually competitive and have on occasion played the part of spoiler, I already
feel the pressure to move up to masters even though I still have not mastered
advanced. Would there be more people in advanced if it felt ok to stay there
until you felt completely comfortable with all elements of the class? would
that equlize participant distribution in other classes? I know a
couple of people in D4 that are doing well in advanced but not consistantly
dominant. If they move up to masters they will almost certainly have less
fun and will absolutely struggle at contests. Should they be allowed to stay in
advanced forever if they like? Perhaps that is the limit of their natural
flying ability or the highest level they can ascend to given their life
situation (work, practice time, budget, etc). On the other side, I spoke
with D5 pilot this summer that said "I should not be in masters, I moved
up because it was time to but i can't really fly this pattern as well as I need
to, I just don't have enough time to practice". </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>I don't
know what the right approach is but we should consider the entire picture
as we look for answers. The problem may now be with the sequences at all,
but with the general feeling that a particular pilot has to move up before they
are ready. I guess that is the old advancement discussion again.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Stuart
Chale <schale@optonline.net><br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:26:02 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
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8 to 1 middle of the 9th.<br>
In regards to the sequences, I am probably in the minority but I think the
lower classes need to be a little harder. Probably even Masters.
Most areas of the country are seeing a bunching up in Masters. I like it,
makes for good competition in that class. I do not want to come in second
in my class (and last) :)<br>
Perhaps if the classes were a little more difficult people would not move up as
quickly. Put more difficult rolling maneuvers in advanced, add some
integrated rolling maneuvers into Masters. Would there be more fliers in
the lower classes, would the classes be more even? Don't know. Is
this what we want?<br>
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Should someone be "prepared" to go to the next higher class from
their current class? There needs to be an increase in difficulty which
there is. You should have to work at the next class when moving up.<br>
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Rollers, love to watch them done well, but can't do them well :) They
really do use a lot of real estate though and sort of goes against the idea of
decreased space use that we have with turnaround. IMAC has the same
problem. They have a score for proper airspace use which includes a
reduced footprint but has rollers in all 3 or the upper classes :)<br>
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Stuart C.<br>
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