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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And the nomex / carbon fiber panels add a
level of protection. </FONT><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan@att.net><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009
06:48<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6
question<BR><BR><BR>Pattern designed undergarments.... D6 will never be
the same.<BR><BR>Wayne Galligan<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"Keith Black" <tkeithblack@gmail.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009
1:17 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6
question<BR><BR><BR>Matt, you’re not the first one to say that, but quite
frankly I don’t<BR>understand this attitude of “I’m not going to play anymore if
I don’t<BR>get my way :-( ”. This isn’t a kindergarten playground.<BR><BR>Anyone
who would quit because of a rules change must not love the<BR>hobby/sport. What
are you going to do? Go fly Zaggies or gliders or<BR>maybe spend your time
fishing? Man, that'll beat the heck out of<BR>having to comply with that new
pattern rule.<BR><BR>Sorry to be harsh, but please! The way I look at it
is I REALLY love<BR>pattern and I’m sticking with it no matter what changes
until I tire<BR>of it or find something I enjoy more. I’ll try and influence the
rules<BR>when I believe it’s constructive but once the debate is over it’s
time<BR>to fly! Everyone has to play by the same rules. Just give me
the<BR>sequence and tell me when I'm up. Big plane, little plane,
electric,<BR>glow… hell, I’ll even wear the special pattern approved
underwear if<BR>necessary as long as it’s a level playing field.
;-)<BR><BR>Hopefully no hard feelings Matt.<BR><BR>Keith Black<BR><BR><BR>On
Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Matthew Frederick
<mjfrederick@cox.net><BR>wrote:<BR>> I've been out of town, so I'm just
now seeing this discussion. I can<BR>> honsetly say right now I will stop
flying pattern once I'm done with<BR>> Advanced if this rule goes
through.<BR>><BR>> Matt<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Atwood, Mark" <BR>> <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>> To:
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21,
2009 6:17 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6
question<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Couldnt agree more...<BR>>>
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Handheld<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>>
<nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> To: 'General
pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> Sent:
Wed Oct 21 19:08:22 2009<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
proposal 11-6 question<BR>>><BR>>> Mark, regardless of whether we
make any of the classes harder, I don't<BR>>> think<BR>>> equipment
should factor into what maneuvers should be flown in each <BR>>>
class.<BR>>> About 5 years ago, I was forced to move up from sportsman
because I beat <BR>>> 4<BR>>> other pilots, 2 were flying trainers
and one was flying a sport plane. It<BR>>> was my second contest and I was
flying a 60 Kaos. I know we fixed this<BR>>> issue but it illustrates that
this sport does require some level of<BR>>> investment in equipment
(programmable radio and an aerobatic capable<BR>>>
plane).<BR>>><BR>>> I understand where Duane is coming from. After 4
years in intermediate I<BR>>> still get the pucker factor when flying from
time to time especially in<BR>>> the<BR>>> wind. The first
consideration when designing schedules is safety. I<BR>>> wouldn't want a
sportsman or intermediate pilot loosing his plane due to<BR>>> brain
overload.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
Atwood,<BR>>> Mark<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:32
PM<BR>>> To: 'nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org'<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR>>><BR>>> You
raise another interesting point regarding moving 4pts and slow rolls<BR>>>
down a level and that's the demand on equipment. Currently, knife
edge<BR>>> trim, while nice, is not essential for the intermediate
pattern. Changing<BR>>> that also changes the level of equipment, radios
especially, required for<BR>>> that sequence. Currently my son competes
with a Kaos 40 (single aileron<BR>>> servo so no differential) on a basic
radio. He has no mixes on the plane,<BR>>> nor does he really need
any.<BR>>><BR>>> -M<BR>>>
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Handheld<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>>
<nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> To: General pattern
discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> Sent: Tue Oct 20
20:45:18 2009<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6
question<BR>>><BR>>> The two-point in Sportsman was intimidating
enough until I started<BR>>> following<BR>>> the trimming chart and
moved my CG back so it doesn't drop nearly as <BR>>> much.<BR>>>
Now, if only I had adjustable wing incidence to fix the pull to belly
in<BR>>> knife edge. I'll try some 2/4 and see if I can work up to 4/4
without<BR>>> unduly risking my airplane.<BR>>><BR>>>
Duane<BR>>><BR>>>> From: "Dave"
<DaveL322@comcast.net><BR>>>> To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October
20, 2009 7:57:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR>>>><BR>>>>
I'd like to hear from the Sportsman. Do you want a 4 point in<BR>>>>
Intermediate, or is Intermediate intimidating enough? Consider
going<BR>>>> from a partial turnaround sequence to a full turnaround
sequence? How<BR>>>> about in a 20 mph blow in crosswind? Are you ready
to trim your plane<BR>>>> for knife edge
flight?<BR>>><BR>>>
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