<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Could I ask where are the holes? LOL<BR><BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Mark Hunt" <flyintexan@att.net><BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:50:29 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR><BR>I'm one step ahead...mine have lightening holes already:)<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan@att.net><BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 06:48<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR><BR><BR>Pattern designed undergarments.... D6 will never be the same.<BR><BR>Wayne Galligan<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack@gmail.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:17 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR><BR><BR>Matt, you’re not the first one to say that, but quite frankly I don’t<BR>understand this attitude of “I’m not going to play anymore if I don’t<BR>get my way :-( ”. This isn’t a kindergarten playground.<BR><BR>Anyone who would quit because of a rules change must not love the<BR>hobby/sport. What are you going to do? Go fly Zaggies or gliders or<BR>maybe spend your time fishing? Man, that'll beat the heck out of<BR>having to comply with that new pattern rule.<BR><BR>Sorry to be harsh, but please! The way I look at it is I REALLY love<BR>pattern and I’m sticking with it no matter what changes until I tire<BR>of it or find something I enjoy more. I’ll try and influence the rules<BR>when I believe it’s constructive but once the debate is over it’s time<BR>to fly! Everyone has to play by the same rules. Just give me the<BR>sequence and tell me when I'm up. Big plane, little plane, electric,<BR>glow… hell, I’ll even wear the special pattern approved underwear if<BR>necessary as long as it’s a level playing field. ;-)<BR><BR>Hopefully no hard feelings Matt.<BR><BR>Keith Black<BR><BR><BR>On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick@cox.net><BR>wrote:<BR>> I've been out of town, so I'm just now seeing this discussion. I can<BR>> honsetly say right now I will stop flying pattern once I'm done with<BR>> Advanced if this rule goes through.<BR>><BR>> Matt<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Atwood, Mark" <BR>> <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>> To: <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:17 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Couldnt agree more...<BR>>> --------------------------<BR>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> Sent: Wed Oct 21 19:08:22 2009<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR>>><BR>>> Mark, regardless of whether we make any of the classes harder, I don't<BR>>> think<BR>>> equipment should factor into what maneuvers should be flown in each <BR>>> class.<BR>>> About 5 years ago, I was forced to move up from sportsman because I beat <BR>>> 4<BR>>> other pilots, 2 were flying trainers and one was flying a sport plane. It<BR>>> was my second contest and I was flying a 60 Kaos. I know we fixed this<BR>>> issue but it illustrates that this sport does require some level of<BR>>> investment in equipment (programmable radio and an aerobatic capable<BR>>> plane).<BR>>><BR>>> I understand where Duane is coming from. After 4 years in intermediate I<BR>>> still get the pucker factor when flying from time to time especially in<BR>>> the<BR>>> wind. The first consideration when designing schedules is safety. I<BR>>> wouldn't want a sportsman or intermediate pilot loosing his plane due to<BR>>> brain overload.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood,<BR>>> Mark<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:32 PM<BR>>> To: 'nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org'<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR>>><BR>>> You raise another interesting point regarding moving 4pts and slow rolls<BR>>> down a level and that's the demand on equipment. Currently, knife edge<BR>>> trim, while nice, is not essential for the intermediate pattern. Changing<BR>>> that also changes the level of equipment, radios especially, required for<BR>>> that sequence. Currently my son competes with a Kaos 40 (single aileron<BR>>> servo so no differential) on a basic radio. He has no mixes on the plane,<BR>>> nor does he really need any.<BR>>><BR>>> -M<BR>>> --------------------------<BR>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>> Sent: Tue Oct 20 20:45:18 2009<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR>>><BR>>> The two-point in Sportsman was intimidating enough until I started<BR>>> following<BR>>> the trimming chart and moved my CG back so it doesn't drop nearly as <BR>>> much.<BR>>> Now, if only I had adjustable wing incidence to fix the pull to belly in<BR>>> knife edge. I'll try some 2/4 and see if I can work up to 4/4 without<BR>>> unduly risking my airplane.<BR>>><BR>>> Duane<BR>>><BR>>>> From: "Dave" <DaveL322@comcast.net><BR>>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<BR>>>><BR>>>> I'd like to hear from the Sportsman. Do you want a 4 point in<BR>>>> Intermediate, or is Intermediate intimidating enough? Consider going<BR>>>> from a partial turnaround sequence to a full turnaround sequence? How<BR>>>> about in a 20 mph blow in crosswind? 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