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<font size=3>In 1991, I was flying a plane with an Enya .61 GearPump with
a Soundmaster "Muffler" and turning a 3-blade prop which
sounded off @
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ft. It was extremely competitive -- MUCH more than I was...
:-)<br><br>
I also had a YS .61 short-stroke which did the same...<br><br>
At 05:57 PM 10/20/2009, you wrote:<br>
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I recall everyone flying YS 61 short strokes JUST prior to turnaround
being moved into all the classes, with full tuned pipes. Soft mounts
weren’t really in vogue yet, though I recall Chip/Klein/McConville all
semi-soft mounting their firewalls with silicone without the firewall
actually touching the sides of the fuse.<br>
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Noise wasn’t too bad, but I do remember flying a LOOOOOONG way out to
turn around and coming into a maneuver from a mile out at 135mph.<br>
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<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Bill Glaze<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
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I'm asking for a bit of history now. When the turnaround system was
added, were't the pattern folks flying unmuffled (or barely muffled)
2-strokes with high noise levels, not the now (relatigvely quiet) well
muffled 4 strokes? (to say nothing of the current generation
electrics?) There may be some interconnection /correlation
here. Just asking, Dave, not quarreling at all. I've flown
pattern before it was called pattern, when you made up your own sequence,
and did only those maneuvers you wanted to do. Now of coursw, we have a
well established turnaround pattern. (Which, by the way, I
prefer.)<br>
Again, just asking.<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
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<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General
pattern discussion</a> <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:34 PM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Dave L mentioned the "noise footprint", but I am not sure
that is a major reason (maybe it was?) that we went to turnaround. I was
not heavily involved in pattern at that time. However, "noise
footprint" can be divided into two parts, "noise" and
"footprint". The fact that, as Dave mentioned, some sites in
the NE are starting to fly pattern events again may be due more to the
noise level than the overall flight footprint. So, the turnaround aspect
may not be the saviour in this case as much as the noise reduction
itself. Either way, thanks can go to FAI because that is where the noise
reduction technology came from, and it filtered down to the AMA flyers.
IMHO.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>All that aside, I have always felt, and expressed my opinion, that
the AMA rules and schedules should be geared towards what is best for the
sport of precision aerobatics IN THE USA. I don't think we should pick
schedules for any class, including Masters, with the major concern of
helping prepare our pilots for FAI. FAI is another class, and if you
think about that, here in the US it is almost two classes in itself:
Those that fly at national/world level, and those that don't. If someone
is really aspiring to fly at a world level, they will find the FAI class
all by themselves. The fact that we do fly the FAI class at all contests
is, IMHO, all we need to do to help them prepare for world level
competitions. There is no need for us to put an FAI flavor in the Masters
sequence, unless it will benefit pattern flying in general.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Again, this is JMHO.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Bob R.<br><br>
<dd>--- On Tue, 10/20/09, John Gayer <jgghome@comcast.net></i></b>
wrote:<br>
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<dd>As I recall, the ONLY reason AMA is now flying turnaround is because
F3A went to a turnaround format. The "powersthatwere" were
concerned that our team would not have the relevant experience to compete
on the world stage. This started a process of conversion to turnaround by
including the FAI pattern and then expert turnaround in AMA pattern
contests.<br>
<dd>The pendulum has now swung the other way where the AMA pattern
community, while overly committed to turnaround, rejects the patterns,
rules and concepts of the FAI.<br><br>
<dd>While I no longer see a need to use the current(or past schedule as
we have already done) F3A pattern as the Masters pattern, I believe it is
important to address whatever is new and challenging in the upcoming F3A
patterns and consider introducing similar elements into the Masters
pattern.<br><br>
<dd>At the other end of the spectrum, I believe that the Sportsman class
should have the turnaround elements removed completely. Perhaps some of
the center maneuvers could be upgraded in difficulty at the same time.
The sportsman flyer needs more focus on learning the maneuvers and where
to place them. Making them fly the box simply insures that they aree not
in position to do a proper center maneuver. This is not intended as a
first step in getting rid of turnaround but rather creating a progression
in the learning process.<br><br>
<dd>John Gayer<br><br>
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