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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I partially agree with your last post
but those building blocks have to come from somewhere. From my experience,
I moved out of Sportsman 4 years ago and then stopped flying to help raise
my son until this year when I got to fly again in Intermediate. My flights were
ugly but at least I had an idea of how it all had to go together because I
learned those building blocks in Sportsman. IF what is proposed were to have
happened in my particular case it would have been quite the obstacle to overcome
and probably would have taken some of the fun out flying pattern for
me.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If a pilot needs work on geometry, and I know I
sure do, then take the time to practice the given maneuver outside the sequence.
Go and burn a few tanks flying the problem maneuvers and nothing else.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My opinion is Sportsman is fine the way it is and
it lays a good foundation for the progression in the classes.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>I'm not sure why it makes sense to place the burden of learning
box management on the Sportsman flyer rather than the Intermediate flyer.
>From what I've seen helping Sportsman flyers, exiting the box twice
doesn't help much. Where they need help is in the geometry and centering
of maneuvers. <BR>Any Sportsman flyer that can manage the box, turnaround
maneuvers and centering plus execute the geometry should be in
Intermediate.<BR><BR>John Gayer<BR><BR>Pete Cosky wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would disagree about removing the turnarounds
from Sportsman since they have the opportunity to exit the box twice and get
back on their line. Those turnaround maneuvers teach where the box is and
how to manage the confines of it. If you remove the turnarounds then the
move to intermediate becomes much more difficult as now the newly moved
pilot would not only have to worry about turnarounds and center maneuvers
but also box management.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>As I recall, the ONLY reason AMA is now flying turnaround
is because F3A went to a turnaround format. The "powersthatwere" were
concerned that our team would not have the relevant experience to compete
on the world stage. This started a process of conversion to turnaround by
including the FAI pattern and then expert turnaround in AMA pattern
contests.<BR>The pendulum has now swung the other way where the AMA
pattern community, while overly committed to turnaround, rejects the
patterns, rules and concepts of the FAI.<BR><BR>While I no longer see a
need to use the current(or past schedule as we have already done) F3A
pattern as the Masters pattern, I believe it is important to address
whatever is new and challenging in the upcoming F3A patterns and consider
introducing similar elements into the Masters pattern.<BR><BR>At the other
end of the spectrum, I believe that the Sportsman class should have the
turnaround elements removed completely. Perhaps some of the center
maneuvers could be upgraded in difficulty at the same time. The sportsman
flyer needs more focus on learning the maneuvers and where to place them.
Making them fly the box simply insures that they aree not in position to
do a proper center maneuver. This is not intended as a first step in
getting rid of turnaround but rather creating a progression in the
learning process.<BR><BR>John Gayer<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><HR width="90%" SIZE=4>
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