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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>No doubt the prior sequence members
appreciate the input. It has been fixed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So far as an upwind stall turn prior to a
downwind top hat being the worst sequence of maneuvers ever……have
you looked at the P11? Or F11?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Anthony Frackowiak<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 19, 2009
9:03 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules proposal 11-6 question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Is it not true that changes to the sequences are part of the new rules
proposals that are supposed to be submitted now? If so, then they should be
posted ASAP so that everyone can see them and provide input to their contest
board member. And at this time of the year many will not be able to test fly
them to see what they think!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>BTW, who put in Intermediate the upwind stall turn with a downwind top
hat? Worst sequence of maneuvers I've ever seen.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Tony<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Oct 19, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Joe Lachowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><span
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-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px;-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0;word-spacing:0px'>Derek
asked for volunteers quite some time ago. There were not a lot of volunteers.
The sequences will be published in the K-factor and elsewhere. When, I
do not know. As soon as we are sure the Aresti diagrams that Tom
Miller is putting together are correct for both directions, the sequences will
be forwarded to Derek. Dave Lockhart, Richard Lewis, Verne Koester, Bill
Glaze and myself have been the primary people involved. We have test flown
them and had some others try them out for input, as well. I'm sure everyone
won't be totally happy with some of the stuff. So what else is new.<g><br>
<br>
A short and long Masters sequence was also put together because it was
not known which way we were heading. Personally, I like the longer
sequence we put together. We rearranged the existing Sportsman sequence to flow
better, gave the Intermediate guys something
new, and hopefully addressed the gripes( ie inverted exits
and entrys) the Advanced guys have about their sequence that we had heard
over the last year or so. I'm sure Derek will chime in on what has transpired.
Just be patient guys.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:10:15 -0700<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
<br>
Same here. I have heard nothing and seen nothing about changes to any of the
AMA sequences. BTW, who is on the "Sequence Committee"?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Tony Frackowiak<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>On Oct 19, 2009, at
1:15 PM, Joe Dunnaway wrote<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>How about letting
the rest of us know what the sequences are. I would like to see them.<br>
<br>
Joe Dunnaway<br>
<br>
Bill Glaze wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Dave:</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I posted and announced the presence of
all the sequences at the contests in Winston, (April and Oct.) and they were
widely looked at. I told the folks that Joe had included both a long and
short Masters, and that he, personally preferred the long, but that the
Sequence Committee was looking for input. So, they haven't been a secret
inD2, anyway.</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bill Glaze</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Member, Sequence Committee.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>----- Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span class=ecxapple-converted-space><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net" title="burtona@atmc.net">Dave Burton</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Monday, October 19, 2009 3:37 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Where are all the
new sequences for 2011 published for us to review? I haven’t seen them.
Don’t they have to be submitted as rules proposals for the Contest
Board? I hope the Masters sequence adopted is shorter than the one
we are flying now. Also eliminating judging takeoff and landing would give
judges a little more of a break between flyers. Spending most of my time at a
contest judging a large contingent of Masters flyers is not my idea of fun
anymore.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>[<a
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class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Joe
Lachowski<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>Monday, October 19, 2009 3:24 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
proposal 11-6 question</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>If we go this route, I
for one will definitely quit.<br>
<br>
We already have new sequences designed for 2011 for all the classes.
And we have been adopting a maneuver here and there from
the FAI sequences. They will be presented in the K-factor sometime in the
future. There are even two different sequences put together for Masters. One is
the traditional length and the other is the same length as FAI.<br>
<br>
The new FAI sequence for next year is a real
good example not to flat out adopt a P sequence as it is.<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>From:<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a><br>
To:<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:56:40 -0400<br>
CC:<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:tom_babs@bellsouth.net">tom_babs@bellsouth.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>It seems to me that
adopting the FAI “P” schedule for the Masters class with
“changes” is not the way to go. A better alternative IMO is to
fly FAI P schedule under FAI rules as a separate class. Those of us with
some age remember when this was done years ago as “D” expert and
“D” Novice classes. As I remember AMA class “D” was the
FAI event back then. This would have the advantages of two classes flying
under the same rules and the benefits of more flyers/judges familiar with
the same rules and maneuvers. It would also eliminate the work involved in
coming up with a new Masters sequence every three or so years as a new schedule
would be automatically be invoked FAI changed. I’d like to see a proposal
for this change submitted to the Contest Board.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
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class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
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class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Just to clarify. I am not the only
one making this proposal. Don Ramsey and Charlie Rock helped me to
put it together. I am going to try to respond to your questions
below. Please read below in<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>bold. </span></font></b></strong><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><b><span style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b></span>Thanks
for bringing this discussion to the list. <span
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Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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From: "Lance Van Nostrand"<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:patterndude@tx.rr.com"><patterndude@tx.rr.com></a><br>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List"<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
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Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:51:30 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I know official discussion hasn't started
but this list is one of the good vetting forums. Vince proposed Masters
flying FAI P, which is clear<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>(this is for sure the most important
statement)</span></font></b></strong>, but if the logic behind the proposal as
written causes confusion it may make a less convincing case. <span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>Good point. We assumed that was easy for
someone that is very familiar to pattern to digest the intent of the
proposal. Your conclusions are correct. We are assuming that the
current procedures we use to design the Master schedule are not
changed. We adopt the current FAI P schedule with the
appropriate changes to suit the Master class. This is the
reason why we didn't try to discuss other details. </span></font></b></strong>For
example, it says "there is an evident pile up f pilots in the Masters
class" but never clearly states how flying the same sequence would change
that. He may be implying that people will more freely move between
classes to balance the lines because they are flying a similar sequence but the
sequences may not be identical and the judging rules are not
identical. <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>Correct. You actually saw what happened in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Tulsa</st1:place></st1:City> this year. There were 10
pilots in Masters and you decided to divide the group in two and five flew
Masters and five flew FAI. This also happened already in other local
contest around KC. It happens at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Fort</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Scott</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>
contest also. Pilots will be more willing to do this we fly
the same schedule. </span></font></b></strong><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><b><span style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b></span>At
another point it says "This will make judging of both classes very
accurate" but doesn't address the obvious differences in judging criteria
between AMA and FAI, which is the current burden that Masters and FAI pilots
currently bear when the fly one class and judge the other.<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><b><span style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b></span><strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>I am sure that we will agree that it
will be a lot easier to deal with these differences if we fly the same
schedules. The proposal intent is not to address the differences in
judging criteria between AMA and FAI. I believe that it will become
natural as we start to fly the same schedule and the differences will
go away with time. </span></font></b></strong>Finally, there is no
exact wording proposed on the form where it is expected, but later in the logic
it refers to the idea of replacing some FAI maneuvers where appropriate. <span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>We are assuming that the current procedure to design
the schedules is still in place. The committee will check the
current FAI P schedule and proposed a final one with the changes to make it
suitable for Masters. For example, P11 the only portion I will change is
the integrated half loop on the figure M. I will suggest something
like 2 of 4 or 1/2 roll on bottom to replace the integrated 1/2 roll. I
believe that all other maneuvers are suitable for Masters. </span></font></b></strong><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><b><span style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b></span>Without
exact wording, its not clear how this is done, or if the maneuver descriptions
will be re-written in the AMA rules, or referenced to the FAI descriptions like
the sequence. <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>The committee will decide whatever is appropriate. If they feel
that the FAI descriptions are appropiate we could use it as is.</span></font></b></strong>
Oh, and how does AMA deal with the fact that FAI changes schedules in odd
years?<strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> We
will need to follow FAI schedule. I think that this is very
possible and should not be a problem. </span></font></b></strong></span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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that detract from it's thoroughness. I do not yet have a stance on the
issue.<strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> We put
this together just taking at the 2008 Nats. I remember that I have to
judge FAI and I never had the chance to judge FAI before the Nats. I was
trying to study the FAI schedule at the same time that I was trying to fly my own
contest. This is clearly an additional pressure on the contestant.
If this proposal pass it will make our life easier at the local contest
and when we judging at the Nats or any other contest. Also, clearly will
make the judging level very high because Masters and FAI pilots will be very
familiar with the schedules we fly and the details requires to judge each of
the maneuvers. Finally, the balance in local contest will be easier
to fix since we will more willing to fly FAI when required.
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