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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The ONLY REASON?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hmmm…..pattern would have all but
died in many parts of the country had it not been for reduced overflight
requirements of turnaround, the reduced noise, and the reduced noise
footprint. In the <st1:place w:st="on">Northeast US</st1:place>, pattern
was dead in many areas because of noise and overflight problems, and 20 years
later, some clubs are just now starting to understand that pattern is no longer
a field killer. I was part of the group in the late 80s that penned
the transition to turnaround, and I was a diehard AMA flyer at the time. Yes,
some dropped pattern because they did not want to change to turnaround style,
but many of those would not have been able to continue flying non turnaround
because of the noise and overflight issues.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>To suggest that the AMA community is fully
rejecting FAI concepts is, I think, a gross overstatement. FAI has always
done some stupid things, and like any large bureaucracy, it will likely do so
in the future. On a regular basis, there is advocacy to do what FAI does,
and on a regular basis there is opposition to ABSOLUTE congruency with FAI…..AMA
can always CHOOSE to follow an FAI lead, but should never establish legislation
REQUIRING it to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m not clear whether you want to
increase or decrease the difficulty of Sportsman? Eliminating turnarounds
would make it easier. Adding back 3 roll and 3 loops would make it
harder? And if Sportsman were made less difficult, and Masters were made
more difficult, then the difficulty between classes would increase …another
always hot topic. My opinion, I would like to see the Sportsman class
simpler, and I’ve been involved with the Sequence Committee for 20+
years, and 90% of the time I’ve been called an elitist for trying to take
away the “fun” and “challenging” maneuvers from the
Sportsman. I’d like to see pattern competitors stay in a class
until they have mastered the elements in that class, not simply gotten to the
point of being able to consistently fly the sequence with no scores <5. I’d
like to see competitors realize that they can practice the next sequence BEFORE
getting there, and there is some personal responsibility in preparing for the
next class. Everyone needs to understand it is simply impossible to have
difficulty gaps between classes that everyone finds to be appropriate –
it is continually adjusted by the Sequence Committee based on feedback from the
pilots that voice their opinion during the design process.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For Masters, the biggest difference
between it and FAI, aside from 2 schedules, is the integrated loop/roll (rolling
loops, rolling circles) element. Masters pilots have repeatedly in substantial
majorities expressed the desire to NOT HAVE integrated loop/roll elements in
Masters. If you want integrated loop/roll elements, there is a class for
that – it is FAI. The other element in FAI that is not in Masters
is combination roll / snap maneuvers – again, because Masters pilots have
repeatedly expressed the desire to NOT HAVE this in Masters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m glad to see the prolific number
of posts on this (and similar topics) in the past month……I’m
sure it means many people will volunteer AND contribute to the next Sequence
Committee. There is a very good system in place (that is quite flexible
and accommodating to reflect progress and evolving ideas) for designing
sequences, but it does not work without participation, and as with many other
endeavors, it does not do very well accommodating armchair quarterbacking and
occasional comments from sidelines base on limited or incomplete data. The
length of time it takes to draft, propose, review, and implement rules is
always a hot topic, and it certainly doesn’t get any shorter with late
entries to the game or increasingly larger numbers of people involved. I
can assure you that the active core of the current Sequence Committee is
listening, and nothing is being done in a vacuum.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009
11:39 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules proposal 11-6 question</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>As I recall, the ONLY reason AMA is now flying
turnaround is because F3A went to a turnaround format. The
"powersthatwere" were concerned that our team would not have the
relevant experience to compete on the world stage. This started a process of
conversion to turnaround by including the FAI pattern and then expert
turnaround in AMA pattern contests.<br>
The pendulum has now swung the other way where the AMA pattern community, while
overly committed to turnaround, rejects the patterns, rules and concepts of the
FAI.<br>
<br>
While I no longer see a need to use the current(or past schedule as we have
already done) F3A pattern as the Masters pattern, I believe it is important to
address whatever is new and challenging in the upcoming F3A patterns and
consider introducing similar elements into the Masters pattern.<br>
<br>
At the other end of the spectrum, I believe that the Sportsman class should
have the turnaround elements removed completely. Perhaps some of the center
maneuvers could be upgraded in difficulty at the same time. The sportsman flyer
needs more focus on learning the maneuvers and where to place them. Making them
fly the box simply insures that they aree not in position to do a proper center
maneuver. This is not intended as a first step in getting rid of turnaround but
rather creating a progression in the learning process.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
<br>
Bill Glaze wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Why are we tied to FAI? Ed, certainly you must
realize that we are tied to FAI so that every 2 years we can send a handful of
model flyers to some foreign land to compete in a contest, the results of which
will be of interest to only a handful of people here, and, certainly, won't
boost interest in pattern for the general model flying community. That's
why!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So there!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bill</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" title="ed_alt@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send=true>Ed Alt</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" moz-do-not-send=true>NSRCA List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Monday,
October 19, 2009 9:33 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Re. the notion of robotically accepting
whatever FAI P sequence comes our way as our Masters sequence, let's keep
it simple. What problem, exactly, are we trying to solve? And what
exactly is it about giving up all autonomy with respect to creating our
AMA Masters sequences in this country that leads us to believe that this
represents a solution?<br>
<br>
I think that you need to look no further than the P-11 and F-11 to fully
understand why this should not be done. On the one hand, you have a
prelim sequence that was done either with complete lack of understanding of
what the box boundaries are, or perhaps worse yet, contemplates that it is best
to fly at 220m in order to stay within them while maintaining consistency with
roll rates and maneuver size throughout the sequence. And then you have
snaposaurus F-11. I quit IMAC in favor of Pattern after 2003 for
some good reasons, and these two 2001 FAI sequences harken back to that time
for me. Let's not start introducing the mindless application of snap
rolls and lack of thought for what the aerobatic box is there for, just to
make it easier to flit between Masters and FAI during the season. <br>
<br>
Joe Lachowski and Dave Lockhart put a great deal of of thought and energy into
creating sequence design criteria, which is a good tool to help design better
sequences. I think that we should continue to refine this approach and use
it to our advantage to make the best sequences that we are capable of, rather
than just adopt something that we have essentially no control of.<br>
Ed<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: <a href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">jlachow@hotmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:24:03 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
<br>
If we go this route, I for one will definitely quit.<br>
<br>
We already have new sequences designed for 2011 for all the classes.
And we have been adopting a maneuver here and there from
the FAI sequences. They will be presented in the K-factor sometime in the
future. There are even two different sequences put together for Masters. One is
the traditional length and the other is the same length as FAI.<br>
<br>
The new FAI sequence for next year is a real
good example not to flat out adopt a P sequence as it is.<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: <a
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:56:40 -0400<br>
CC: <a href="mailto:tom_babs@bellsouth.net">tom_babs@bellsouth.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=ecxecxmsonormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>It seems to me that
adopting the FAI “P” schedule for the Masters class with
“changes” is not the way to go. A better alternative IMO is to
fly FAI P schedule under FAI rules as a separate class. Those of us with
some age remember when this was done years ago as “D” expert and
“D” Novice classes. As I remember AMA class “D” was the
FAI event back then. This would have the advantages of two classes flying
under the same rules and the benefits of more flyers/judges familiar with
the same rules and maneuvers. It would also eliminate the work involved in
coming up with a new Masters sequence every three or so years as a new schedule
would be automatically be invoked FAI changed. I’d like to see a proposal
for this change submitted to the Contest Board.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=ecxecxmsonormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 19, 2009
11:29 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules proposal 11-6 question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Lance,</span></font><br>
<font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Just to clarify. I am not the
only one making this proposal. Don Ramsey and Charlie Rock helped me
to put it together. I am going to try to respond to your questions
below. Please read below in <strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>bold. </span></font></b></strong>Thanks for
bringing this discussion to the list. <br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <a href="mailto:patterndude@tx.rr.com"><patterndude@tx.rr.com></a><br>
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=ecxecxmsonormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I know official discussion hasn't
started but this list is one of the good vetting forums. Vince proposed
Masters flying FAI P, which is clear <strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>(this is for sure the most important statement)</span></font></b></strong>,
but if the logic behind the proposal as written causes confusion it may make a
less convincing case. <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>Good point. We assumed that was easy for someone that is very
familiar to pattern to digest the intent of the proposal. Your
conclusions are correct. We are assuming that the current procedures we
use to design the Master schedule are not changed. We adopt the
current FAI P schedule with the appropriate changes to suit the
Master class. This is the reason why we didn't try to discuss other
details. </span></font></b></strong>For example, it says "there
is an evident pile up f pilots in the Masters class" but never clearly
states how flying the same sequence would change that. He may be implying
that people will more freely move between classes to balance the lines because
they are flying a similar sequence but the sequences may not be identical and
the judging rules are not identical. <strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>Correct. You actually saw what happened in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tulsa</st1:place></st1:City> this year.
There were 10 pilots in Masters and you decided to divide the group in two
and five flew Masters and five flew FAI. This also happened
already in other local contest around KC. It happens at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Fort</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Scott</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>
contest also. Pilots will be more willing to do this we fly
the same schedule. </span></font></b></strong>At another point it
says "This will make judging of both classes very accurate" but doesn't
address the obvious differences in judging criteria between AMA and FAI, which
is the current burden that Masters and FAI pilots currently bear when the fly
one class and judge the other.<strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'> I am sure that we will agree that it will be a lot
easier to deal with these differences if we fly the same schedules. The
proposal intent is not to address the differences in judging criteria between
AMA and FAI. I believe that it will become natural as we start
to fly the same schedule and the differences will go away with
time. </span></font></b></strong>Finally, there is no exact wording
proposed on the form where it is expected, but later in the logic it refers to
the idea of replacing some FAI maneuvers where appropriate. <strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>We are assuming that the current
procedure to design the schedules is still in place. The
committee will check the current FAI P schedule and proposed a final one with
the changes to make it suitable for Masters. For example, P11 the only
portion I will change is the integrated half loop on the figure M. I will
suggest something like 2 of 4 or 1/2 roll on bottom to replace the
integrated 1/2 roll. I believe that all other maneuvers are
suitable for Masters. </span></font></b></strong>Without exact
wording, its not clear how this is done, or if the maneuver descriptions will
be re-written in the AMA rules, or referenced to the FAI descriptions like the
sequence. <strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>The
committee will decide whatever is appropriate. If they feel that the FAI
descriptions are appropiate we could use it as is.</span></font></b></strong>
Oh, and how does AMA deal with the fact that FAI changes schedules in odd
years?<strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> We
will need to follow FAI schedule. I think that this is very
possible and should not be a problem. </span></font></b></strong></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=ecxecxmsonormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My intent is simply to point out
aspects that detract from it's thoroughness. I do not yet have a stance on
the issue.<strong><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> We
put this together just taking at the 2008 Nats. I remember that I have to
judge FAI and I never had the chance to judge FAI before the Nats. I was
trying to study the FAI schedule at the same time that I was trying to fly my
own contest. This is clearly an additional pressure on the
contestant. If this proposal pass it will make our life easier at
the local contest and when we judging at the Nats or any other contest.
Also, clearly will make the judging level very high because Masters and FAI
pilots will be very familiar with the schedules we fly and the details requires
to judge each of the maneuvers. Finally, the balance in local
contest will be easier to fix since we will more willing to fly FAI when
required. </span></font></b></strong></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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