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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll jump in on two points here. One, is that being
able to move freely back and forth between classes (something that is being
proposed) would facilitate trying the next class for even a contest or two
without the permanent commitment to being stuck there. The second point
is Joe’s comment on the “quality” of flying at the
nats. Pattern (In my opinion, and why I personally like it) is all about
precision. Watching Tony F. fly an 8pt roll, or ANY roll for that matter
screams precision. When Andrew/Chip/Jason/Dave L. (name your top flyer of
choice) fly in a 25mph cross wind, and it looks like they’re flying in
the dead calm, it screams control. That’s pattern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When I moved to Advanced the maneuvers that separated the pack
were the 4pt, the slow roll, and the 6 sided outside loop. Those were the
most difficult maneuvers in the sequence so if you wanted to win, you had to
grease those. But because they weren’t THAT hard, they couldn’t
be just passable, that had to be next to flawless. As did the rest of your
flight. Take off and Landing scores made a difference, so you learned to
grease those too. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When I hear people talk about wanting to make the sequences
harder, I watch people fly Intermediate and Advanced and think, it’s
already too hard. Not because they can’t do the maneuvers, but because
they’re spending so much time ON the maneuvers that they’re not
learning to clean up the “easy” stuff. Intermediate and
Advanced is where you learn to draw great lines, learn to show rhythm and pace,
learn not just maneuver geometry, but sequence geometry. Learn to make
things perfect in every wind condition. We seemed to
have shifted the focus a little bit. There’s no longer a need to
score 9’s and 10’s on K1 and K2 maneuvers because there are enough
K5’s that 7’s and 8’s will do. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That’s also part of what has made the jump from Advanced
to Masters “feel” so large. I’m not seeing people truly
master Advanced before trying to move. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Being able to change patterns more frequently may help in that
we’ll be able to eliminate the boredom component of flying one pattern
too long. But I completely agree with Joe that we need to follow the
criteria established for what each level is supposed to achieve. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I also think that each level should be a “jump” in
skill. That’s what keeps it challenging and fun (for me). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe
Lachowski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>One
must keep in mind that certain skill sets are to be learned at each level. If
we deviate from the guidelines, everything will become a blur. If we add
what you proposed to Advanced, you are flying a Masters sequence for all
practical purposes. Advanced and Masters both have spins and snaps. How is that
a difference? You will see the new Advanced sequence is a little
harder. In it we addressed the inverted exit and entry concern.<br>
<br>
Food for thought. What stops any pilot from practicing on there own
things that are at the next level to help prepare them for that next level in
the future when they feel they are ready. <br>
<br>
I had the opportunity to judge Advanced at the Nats this year for the first
time. I requested it for the purpose of seeing where we stood on the
Advanced sequences difficulty, since there are very few Advanced pilots in my
district that I could gauge it on. I was not totally blown away by anyone
who was flying Advanced which suggests that the current sequence was not
too far from where it really should be.<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From: rcpilot@wowway.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:52:01 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I’m in intermediate and I think both the advanced and
intermediate sequences could be a little harder (especially advanced).
IMO advanced needs more inverted stuff (half rolls reversed inverted to
inverted) and maybe knife edge to knife edge reversed half rolls to better
prepare pilots for Masters. Currently the only significant difference
between advanced and masters is the snaps and spins. There is a
significant difference between advanced and masters. This gap should be
closed. I don’t think making intermediate more difficult or even
making masters more difficult will change the number of masters pilots we
have. I think a large percentage of pilots want to make it to masters
just to say they made it to the top even if they really don’t have the
skills to fly at that level.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 19, 2009 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><span
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like this train of thought.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>krishlan
fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com></span><span style='font-size:
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</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:
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October 19, 2009 9:58 PM</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br>
</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>General pattern
discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></span><span
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[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</span><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Ed.<br>
<br>
Very well stated IMO.<br>
<br>
I don't understand why people are trying to make masters turn into FAI. I don't
want to fly the current FAI sequence in masters, or I would have just fly FAI.<br>
For the current FAI sequence, I would not want to fly it in Masters as it is
somewhat boring to me. There's a few cool things, don't get me wrong. For
example, in FAI, I don't feel a 1/2 outside loop should ever be flown. What
scores do I generally hand out for this in my district? 9-10's. Why not
exit the box and re-enter? (Just kidding here, but for FAI, it's a somewhat
worthless maneuver IMO).. It should have something integrated, or a point roll
in it. If you haven't learned a 1/2 outside loop by FAI, you should probably go
back to intermediate, right? I understand the reason for placing it there, but
come on.<br>
<br>
My thinking is this, for FAI, the new schedule coming up is suitable. The
Masters schedule should be equally difficult as it's a destination class. We
should be held back in Advanced because Masters is so hard, instead of held
back in Masters because FAI is too hard.<br>
<br>
The current P sequence isn't too difficult for many, the F is. IMO, they should
both be fairly challenging. That's why the big boy's fly it. But Masters should
be equally difficult. You will find a smaller Masters class because of it.<br>
<br>
Now to move on down the field, and not to really compare us to IMAC, but look
at their basic-sportsman- intermediate schedules. They are much more difficult
than what we are flying for our sportsman-intermediate-advanced schedules. Why?
Is it because our entry classes aren't as good of pilots (I don't think so) ?
Are we just trying to gain new pilots by making our's a little easier? Or do
their guys enjoy a good challenge? I'm not sure of the answer to this as I
don't fly IMAC.<br>
<br>
Could we gain from in Masters (and FAI) from making the entry classes more
difficult instead of changing masters into FAI?<br>
<br>
My .02 cents<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ed Alt <ed_alt@hotmail.com><br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mon, October 19, 2009 6:33:30 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>
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Re. the notion of robotically accepting whatever FAI P sequence comes our
way as our Masters sequence, let's keep it simple. What problem, exactly,
are we trying to solve? And what exactly is it about giving up all
autonomy with respect to creating our AMA Masters sequences in this country
that leads us to believe that this represents a solution?<br>
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I think that you need to look no further than the P-11 and F-11 to fully
understand why this should not be done. On the one hand, you have a
prelim sequence that was done either with complete lack of understanding of
what the box boundaries are, or perhaps worse yet, contemplates that it is best
to fly at 220m in order to stay within them while maintaining consistency with
roll rates and maneuver size throughout the sequence. And then you have
snaposaurus F-11. I quit IMAC in favor of Pattern after 2003 for
some good reasons, and these two 2001 FAI sequences harken back to that time
for me. Let's not start introducing the mindless application of snap
rolls and lack of thought for what the aerobatic box is there for, just to
make it easier to flit between Masters and FAI during the season.<br>
<br>
Joe Lachowski and Dave Lockhart put a great deal of of thought and energy into
creating sequence design criteria, which is a good tool to help design better
sequences. I think that we should continue to refine this approach and
use it to our advantage to make the best sequences that we are capable of,
rather than just adopt something that we have essentially no control of.<br>
Ed<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>From: jlachow@hotmail.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:24:03<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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