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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ihncheol,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Mine is 11" span. I intended for it to be a
bit larger, but after sanding it to an airfoil and making it pretty, that's
where it ended up. The idea that incidence would effect the results wasn't my
inspirtion. It got to me from Ron Barr, who did it on his plane (might
have been an Impact). Yes, it did reduce push-to-belly (or what I called
pitch mix) with rudder and was directly related. More negative incidence, less
push to belly. however, this was not the only effect so in the end it was
a typical balance between getting the most out of the canalizer and minimizing
the negative effects. I found that the wing, which I was flying with about 0
incidence needed to have its incidence raised so that I didn't require too much
up trim. This helped the downlines stay straight. I think it would do
nothing for a F3P because the speeds are too low and the lack of airfoil will
amplify the lift curve when the canalizer and wing are set at opposite
incidences.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This was done on a Symphony. This plane can
be successfully setup with 0 incidence and a rearward CG or positive incidence
and a forward CG (Hebert method). The canalizer only had a positive effect
when setup using the Hebert method,or in other words, my first flight with it
was with the plane set up my way at 0 wing, but the canalizer was unworkable on
this setup. Then I retrimmed the plane, with the canalizer using the Hebert
method and had good results. Removing the canalizer and leaving the plane
in the Hebert scheme works, but I don't prefer it, but with the canalizer, I
prefer the Hebert scheme. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pnahobbies@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:pnahobbies@sbcglobal.net">Ihncheol Park</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
T-Canalizer</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Lance,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">What
actually changed before and after on specifically for your plane? Is it
the Symphony?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">How
large is the Canalizer on your?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I’ve
been thinking about trying one on a couple of my planes with adjustable
incidence like you did.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Does
it have any effect on push-to-belly on rudder?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Local
indoor pilot tried one on a F3P plane last year for a short time, but not for
long.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Ihncheol<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lance
Van Nostrand<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:55 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
T-Canalizer<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Vince,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I took this myth to
town last year and built an adjustable incidence canalizer, then took notes on
the effects at various incidences and when placed in different locations
(overthe CG, back of the wing). Effects range from nothing to
dramatic. Short version of the results: I left mine at 4.5 degrees
neg and placed midway between the CG and the TE. It completely changed my wing
incidence and CG, but in the end it helped it lock on horizontal lines and
reduced pitch mix with this setup. Other placements/incidences had other
effects. There is no one answer and each plane has different "weaknesses" to
be addressed. It's a valuable tool, but one that is somewhat speed
dependent and the worst thing about it is the down side effect when flying in
a quartering wind. I think of it as the immaculate band-aid and use it
as a diagnostic tool in my airframe designing.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">--Lance</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=vicenterc@comcast.net href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">Vicente
"Vince" Bortone</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Saturday,
October 17, 2009 7:34 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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[NSRCA-discussion] T-Canalizer<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Any
experience and recommendations is welcome. Any explanation how it
works? I have seen some that just install a flat piece without the
small wing. Anyone has done both and compare.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Have a nice
flying weekend,<BR><BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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