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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=3 face=Arial>Can Sportsman also be changed into
something that resembles a sequence and not a cool graphic (if looked at as an
aresti). It's harder than Intermediate cause it doesn't flow. Hmmm... reminds me
of some of the stuff in P/F-11</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jlachow@hotmail.com href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">Joe
Lachowski</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 19, 2009 3:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
proposal 11-6 question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I think one of the biggest problems we face right now is
the void in Advanced. The Advanced sequence this time around was made
just a tad more difficult and some of us in the sequence
committee are all for changing Advanced every two years along with Masters. In
my opinion, some are moving up to Masters too quick. Changing Advanced
more frequently along with changing the advancement requirements might just be
the ticket for keeping guys in Advanced a little longer. Hopefully, we can
build up this class to where it should be which should increase the
judging pool at local contests. I am also for allowing guys to move back to
Advanced when the new sequences come into use.<BR> <BR>
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From: jnhiller@earthlink.net<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date:
Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:57:15 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
proposal 11-6 question<BR><BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN class=ecxEmailStyle22><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You know there
was some resistance to splitting masters into two groups "A" & "B" so they
could judge each other when a contest was overloaded with masters fliers. I
don't see two FAI classes as being much different. Adding an 'Expert" class
also addresses the judging overload. There may also be some concern that the
ever increasing difficulty in FAI may encourage some people to fly masters,
adding to the judge imbalance.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN class=ecxEmailStyle22><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'm a new guy in
masters and will fly or stumble through whatever is decided on. I just want to
point out that there are other ways to deal with contest judge imbalances.
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Atwood, Mark<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 19, 2009 9:07
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I for one have
gotten VERY poor feedback from our masters flyers on this. It makes
sense to me, and in a vacuum I would certainly vote for it, but alas,
I</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">m not.
Given the current sentiment on this in D3(AMA D3 that is, not NSRCA) it would
be a resounding no vote without removing the integrated rolling maneuvers at a
minimum.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Those maneuvers
alone keep many from moving up to FAI, in addition to having to learn 2
sequences. I don</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">t know what the
response would be to a Masters </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">FAI
LITE</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> sequence where
you simply removed the integrated roll from the Figure M and maybe replaced
the Loop w/8pt with an avalanche or such. But I know
I</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">ll get an ear
full of </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Nays</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> if
there</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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straight FAI in masters.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Burton<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 19, 2009 11:57
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'General pattern
discussion'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Tom
Miller<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It seems to me
that adopting the FAI </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">P</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> schedule for
the Masters class with </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">changes</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> is not the way
to go. A better alternative IMO is to fly FAI P schedule under FAI rules
as a separate class. Those of us with some age remember when this was done
years ago as </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> expert and
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Novice classes.
As I remember AMA class </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> was the FAI
event back then. This would have the advantages of two classes flying
under the same rules and the benefits of more flyers/judges familiar
with the same rules and maneuvers. It would also eliminate the work involved
in coming up with a new Masters sequence every three or so years as a new
schedule would be automatically be invoked FAI changed. I</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">d like to see a
proposal for this change submitted to the Contest Board.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Bortone<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi
Lance,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Just to
clarify. I am not the only one making this proposal. Don Ramsey
and Charlie Rock helped me to put it together. I am going to try to
respond to your questions below. Please read below in
<STRONG><B>bold. </B></STRONG>Thanks for bringing this discussion to the
list. <BR><BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude@tx.rr.com><BR>To:
"NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sunday,
October 18, 2009 11:51:30 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
know official discussion hasn't started but this list is one of the good
vetting forums. Vince proposed Masters flying FAI P, which is clear
<STRONG><B>(this is for sure the most important statement)</B></STRONG>, but
if the logic behind the proposal as written causes confusion it may make a
less convincing case. <STRONG><B>Good point. We assumed that was
easy for someone that is very familiar to pattern to digest the intent of the
proposal. Your conclusions are correct. We are assuming that the
current procedures we use to design the Master schedule are not
changed. We adopt the current FAI P schedule with the
appropriate changes to suit the Master class. This is the
reason why we didn't try to discuss other details. </B></STRONG>For
example, it says "there is an evident pile up f pilots in the Masters class"
but never clearly states how flying the same sequence would change that.
He may be implying that people will more freely move between classes to
balance the lines because they are flying a similar sequence but the sequences
may not be identical and the judging rules are not
identical. <STRONG><B>Correct. You actually saw what happened
in Tulsa this year. There were 10 pilots in Masters and you decided
to divide the group in two and five flew Masters and five flew
FAI. This also happened already in other local contest around KC.
It happens at Fort Scott contest also. Pilots will be more willing to do
this we fly the same schedule. </B></STRONG>At another point
it says "This will make judging of both classes very accurate" but doesn't
address the obvious differences in judging criteria between AMA and FAI, which
is the current burden that Masters and FAI pilots currently bear when the fly
one class and judge the other.<STRONG><B> I am sure that we will agree that it
will be a lot easier to deal with these differences if we fly the same
schedules. The proposal intent is not to address the differences in
judging criteria between AMA and FAI. I believe that it will become
natural as we start to fly the same schedule and the differences
will go away with time. </B></STRONG>Finally, there is no exact
wording proposed on the form where it is expected, but later in the logic it
refers to the idea of replacing some FAI maneuvers where appropriate.
<STRONG><B>We are assuming that the current procedure to design
the schedules is still in place. The committee will check the
current FAI P schedule and proposed a final one with the changes to make it
suitable for Masters. For example, P11 the only portion I will change is
the integrated half loop on the figure M. I will suggest something
like 2 of 4 or 1/2 roll on bottom to replace the integrated 1/2 roll. I
believe that all other maneuvers are suitable for Masters.
</B></STRONG>Without exact wording, its not clear how this is done, or if the
maneuver descriptions will be re-written in the AMA rules, or referenced to
the FAI descriptions like the sequence. <STRONG><B>The committee
will decide whatever is appropriate. If they feel that the FAI
descriptions are appropiate we could use it as is.</B></STRONG> Oh,
and how does AMA deal with the fact that FAI changes schedules in odd
years?<STRONG><B> We will need to follow FAI schedule. I
think that this is very possible and should not be a problem.
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face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My
intent is simply to point out aspects that detract from it's
thoroughness. I do not yet have a stance on the issue.<STRONG><B>
We put this together just taking at the 2008 Nats. I remember that I
have to judge FAI and I never had the chance to judge FAI before the
Nats. I was trying to study the FAI schedule at the same time that I was
trying to fly my own contest. This is clearly an additional pressure on
the contestant. If this proposal pass it will make our life easier
at the local contest and when we judging at the Nats or any other
contest. Also, clearly will make the judging level very high because
Masters and FAI pilots will be very familiar with the schedules we fly and the
details requires to judge each of the maneuvers. Finally,
the balance in local contest will be easier to fix since we will
more willing to fly FAI when required.
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">--Lance</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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