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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=3 face=Arial>Great. Ok, continue on with the
fixes to Masters... ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.composite-arf.com">www.composite-arf.com</A><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jlachow@hotmail.com href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">Joe
Lachowski</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 19, 2009 3:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
proposal 11-6 question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Jason, we rearranged things to fix the flow
issue.<BR> <BR>
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From: <A href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">jshulman@cfl.rr.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Date:
Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:46:25 -0400<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=3 face=Arial>Can Sportsman also be changed into
something that resembles a sequence and not a cool graphic (if looked at as an
aresti). It's harder than Intermediate cause it doesn't flow. Hmmm... reminds
me of some of the stuff in P/F-11</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jlachow@hotmail.com href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">Joe
Lachowski</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 19, 2009 3:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
proposal 11-6 question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I think one of the biggest problems we face right now is
the void in Advanced. The Advanced sequence this time around was made
just a tad more difficult and some of us in the sequence
committee are all for changing Advanced every two years along with Masters.
In my opinion, some are moving up to Masters too quick. Changing
Advanced more frequently along with changing the advancement requirements
might just be the ticket for keeping guys in Advanced a little longer.
Hopefully, we can build up this class to where it should be which
should increase the judging pool at local contests. I am also for
allowing guys to move back to Advanced when the new sequences come into
use.<BR> <BR>
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From: jnhiller@earthlink.net<BR>To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:57:15
-0700<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6
question<BR><BR>
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<P class=ecxecxMsoNormal><SPAN class=ecxecxEmailStyle22><FONT color=navy
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You know
there was some resistance to splitting masters into two groups "A" & "B"
so they could judge each other when a contest was overloaded with masters
fliers. I don't see two FAI classes as being much different. Adding an
'Expert" class also addresses the judging overload. There may also be some
concern that the ever increasing difficulty in FAI may encourage some people
to fly masters, adding to the judge imbalance.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=ecxecxMsoNormal><SPAN class=ecxecxEmailStyle22><FONT color=navy
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I'm a
new guy in masters and will fly or stumble through whatever is decided on. I
just want to point out that there are other ways to deal with contest judge
imbalances. </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Atwood, Mark<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 19, 2009 9:07
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I for one have
gotten VERY poor feedback from our masters flyers on this. It makes
sense to me, and in a vacuum I would certainly vote for it, but alas,
I</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">m not.
Given the current sentiment on this in D3(AMA D3 that is, not NSRCA) it
would be a resounding no vote without removing the integrated rolling
maneuvers at a minimum.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Those
maneuvers alone keep many from moving up to FAI, in addition to having to
learn 2 sequences. I don</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">t know what
the response would be to a Masters </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">FAI
LITE</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> sequence
where you simply removed the integrated roll from the Figure M and maybe
replaced the Loop w/8pt with an avalanche or such. But I
know I</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">ll get an ear
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there</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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for straight FAI in masters.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Burton<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 19, 2009 11:57
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discussion'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Tom
Miller<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It seems to me
that adopting the FAI </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">P</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> schedule for
the Masters class with </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">changes</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> is not the
way to go. A better alternative IMO is to fly FAI P schedule under FAI
rules as a separate class. Those of us with some age remember when this was
done years ago as </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> expert and
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Novice
classes. As I remember AMA class </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=2
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> was the FAI
event back then. This would have the advantages of two classes flying
under the same rules and the benefits of more flyers/judges familiar
with the same rules and maneuvers. It would also eliminate the work involved
in coming up with a new Masters sequence every three or so years as a new
schedule would be automatically be invoked FAI changed. I</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=#1f497d size=2 face=Calibri><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">d like to see
a proposal for this change submitted to the Contest Board.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday,
October 19, 2009 11:29 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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Lance,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Just to
clarify. I am not the only one making this proposal. Don Ramsey
and Charlie Rock helped me to put it together. I am going to try
to respond to your questions below. Please read below in
<STRONG><B>bold. </B></STRONG>Thanks for bringing this discussion to
the list. <BR><BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: "Lance Van Nostrand"
<patterndude@tx.rr.com><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009
11:51:30 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules proposal 11-6 question</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
know official discussion hasn't started but this list is one of the good
vetting forums. Vince proposed Masters flying FAI P, which is clear
<STRONG><B>(this is for sure the most important statement)</B></STRONG>, but
if the logic behind the proposal as written causes confusion it may make a
less convincing case. <STRONG><B>Good point. We assumed that was
easy for someone that is very familiar to pattern to digest the intent of
the proposal. Your conclusions are correct. We are assuming that
the current procedures we use to design the Master schedule are not
changed. We adopt the current FAI P schedule with the
appropriate changes to suit the Master class. This is the
reason why we didn't try to discuss other
details. </B></STRONG>For example, it says "there is an evident
pile up f pilots in the Masters class" but never clearly states how flying
the same sequence would change that. He may be implying that people
will more freely move between classes to balance the lines because they are
flying a similar sequence but the sequences may not be identical and the
judging rules are not identical. <STRONG><B>Correct. You
actually saw what happened in Tulsa this year. There were 10
pilots in Masters and you decided to divide the group in two and five
flew Masters and five flew FAI. This also happened already in
other local contest around KC. It happens at Fort Scott contest
also. Pilots will be more willing to do this we fly the same
schedule. </B></STRONG>At another point it says "This will make
judging of both classes very accurate" but doesn't address the obvious
differences in judging criteria between AMA and FAI, which is the current
burden that Masters and FAI pilots currently bear when the fly one class and
judge the other.<STRONG><B> I am sure that we will agree that it will be a
lot easier to deal with these differences if we fly the same
schedules. The proposal intent is not to address the differences in
judging criteria between AMA and FAI. I believe that it will
become natural as we start to fly the same schedule and the
differences will go away with time. </B></STRONG>Finally, there
is no exact wording proposed on the form where it is expected, but later in
the logic it refers to the idea of replacing some FAI maneuvers where
appropriate. <STRONG><B>We are assuming that the current procedure to
design the schedules is still in place. The committee will
check the current FAI P schedule and proposed a final one with the changes
to make it suitable for Masters. For example, P11 the only portion I
will change is the integrated half loop on the figure M. I will
suggest something like 2 of 4 or 1/2 roll on bottom to replace the
integrated 1/2 roll. I believe that all other maneuvers are
suitable for Masters. </B></STRONG>Without exact wording, its not
clear how this is done, or if the maneuver descriptions will be re-written
in the AMA rules, or referenced to the FAI descriptions like the
sequence. <STRONG><B>The committee will decide whatever is
appropriate. If they feel that the FAI descriptions are
appropiate we could use it as is.</B></STRONG> Oh, and how does
AMA deal with the fact that FAI changes schedules in odd
years?<STRONG><B> We will need to follow FAI schedule. I
think that this is very possible and should not be a problem.
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My intent is
simply to point out aspects that detract from it's thoroughness. I do
not yet have a stance on the issue.<STRONG><B> We put this together
just taking at the 2008 Nats. I remember that I have to judge FAI and
I never had the chance to judge FAI before the Nats. I was trying to
study the FAI schedule at the same time that I was trying to fly my own
contest. This is clearly an additional pressure on the
contestant. If this proposal pass it will make our life easier at
the local contest and when we judging at the Nats or any other
contest. Also, clearly will make the judging level very high because
Masters and FAI pilots will be very familiar with the schedules we fly and
the details requires to judge each of the maneuvers. Finally,
the balance in local contest will be easier to fix since we will
more willing to fly FAI when required.
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