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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle29><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I found
that the direction of the snap was better one way over the other also. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>That
&quot;what ever works&quot; part is what we need to remember when writing rules
and quit trying to include how to fly the airplane in the maneuver description.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Pavlick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 16, 2009
9:01 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Suggested New Snap Roll(BrakeRoll)Description</span></font></p>

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  <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=inherit><span
  style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black'>I do positive snaps
  on the Avalanche and&nbsp;I got a few 9's at the NAT's so apparently it
  doesn't pinch it too much. LOL</span></font><font color=black face=inherit><span
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  <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=inherit><span
  style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black'>I'm working on
  practicing it both ways to see what looks better. I guess it depends on the
  airplane. Some just don't like to do negative snaps and others will really
  mess up the loop geometry if you do a positive snap. Like everything else,
  whatever works for you is best.</span></font><font color=black face=inherit><span
  style='font-family:inherit;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=inherit><span
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  <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=inherit><span
  style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black'>It's snowing here
  too. :)</span></font><font color=black face=inherit><span style='font-family:
  inherit;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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  <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=inherit><span
  style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black'>John Pavlick<br>
  <br>
  --- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Fri, 10/16/09, frank <i><span
  style='font-style:italic'>&lt;frankjuliei@comcast.net&gt;</span></i></span></b>
  wrote:</span></font><font color=black face=inherit><span style='font-family:
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  From: frank &lt;frankjuliei@comcast.net&gt;<br>
  Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Suggested New Snap Roll
  (BrakeRoll)Description<br>
  To: jpavlick@idseng.com, &quot;'General pattern discussion'&quot;
  &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<br>
  Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 11:25 AM</span></font><font color=black
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  <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
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  size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
  color:navy'>
  <div id=yiv1575840929>Woudn’t that pinch the loop ? &nbsp;For the sake of my
  example, &nbsp;&nbsp;let’s use a &nbsp;positive snap. &nbsp;Don’t know if my
  point about judging &nbsp;this maneuver is clear. &nbsp;Flying weather is
  ,well, not the best ( 35 degrees and flurries) so I’m rehearsing with a stick
  plane.LOL.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
  mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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  size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
  color:navy'>F.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
  mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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  size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
  Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
  color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
  color:black'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
  bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Pavlick<br>
  <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 16, 2009
  11:04 AM<br>
  <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
  <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
  Suggested New Snap Roll (BrakeRoll)Description</span></font><font
  color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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    auto'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
    style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Frank,</span></font><font
    color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
    <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
    auto'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
    style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>&nbsp;In
    the Advanced Avalanche you don't <em><i>have</i></em> to push (negative
    snap) - you can pull if you prefer. </span></font><font color=black><span
    style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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    <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
    auto'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
    style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>John
    Pavlick<br>
    <br>
    --- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Fri, 10/16/09, frank <i><span
    style='font-style:italic'>&lt;frankjuliei@comcast.net&gt;</span></i></span></b>
    wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
    windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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    From: frank &lt;frankjuliei@comcast.net&gt;<br>
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Suggested New Snap Roll (Brake
    Roll)Description<br>
    To: &quot;' General pattern discussion '&quot; &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<br>
    Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 10:45 AM</span></font><font color=black><span
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    <div id=yiv561272999>&nbsp;In the current Master’s sequence, the Avalanche
    with 1 ½ &nbsp;snap (from the bottom)- &nbsp;The model is inverted and
    flies the first half of the outside loop. &nbsp;The aircraft is
    &nbsp;supposed to pitch up (pull) for the break, then perform the 1 ½
    &nbsp;snap roll. &nbsp;In the Advanced Sequence &nbsp;Avalanche with a
    single &nbsp;snap , the aircraft is &nbsp;inverted at the top, but the
    pilot has to pitch (push)&nbsp; before &nbsp;the roll. In both situations,
    it seems likely &nbsp;that &nbsp;judges will have to look hard to see the
    break because of the altitude/location/climb of the model, no?.</span></font><font
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    font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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    Tahoma;color:black'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
    [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span
    style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>rcmaster199@aol.com<br>
    <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 16, 2009
    9:43 AM<br>
    <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
    nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
    <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re:
    [NSRCA-discussion] Suggested New Snap Roll (Brake Roll)Description</span></font><font
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    <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
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    font-family:Arial;color:black'>Jerry Budd explained pretty well the fact
    that pattern planes are so lightly loaded that a&nbsp;large amount of&nbsp;force
    in pitch must exist to cause a stall. Stalls, accelerated and/or
    assymetric,&nbsp;I don't think are what happens in a pattern snap.</span></font><font
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    font-family:Arial;color:black'>I believe an&nbsp;assymetry in lift does
    however. Think of the the wing as two halves (fancy that) where one sides
    lifts the equivalent of its whole area and the other side only a small
    percentage. Neither panel is stalled per se....one simply lifts less than
    the other. Yaw will induce the differential lift once the wing has been
    loaded in pitch. Assymetric lift will cause the wing to autorotate in roll
    axis.....we accelerate that autorotation with ailerons (duh!!). Some planes
    will snap with yaw command alone once pitch loading has happened. Most
    pattern planes will not because, as Jerry pointed out, it doesn't take a
    whole lot of lift to keep a pattern plane flying</span></font><font
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    font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
    From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ &lt; moleski@canisius.edu &gt;<br>
    To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<br>
    Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:43 am<br>
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Suggested New Snap Roll (Brake Roll)
    Description</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
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    <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_905f6800-74da-4358-b0e3-a5e175f882e1">
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    style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Keith Black
    wrote:&nbsp;<br>
    &gt; How about this definition:&nbsp;<br>
    &nbsp;<br>
    &gt; At the start of a snap-roll, the fuselage attitude must show a&nbsp;<br>
    &gt; definite break and separation from the&nbsp;<br>
    &gt; flight path, before the rotation is started, since the model
    aircraft&nbsp;<br>
    &gt; is supposed to be in a stalled&nbsp;<br>
    &gt; condition throughout the maneuver ...&nbsp;<br>
    &nbsp;<br>
    That what Vicente (and others) are arguing is a bad&nbsp;<br>
    definition for our purposes.&nbsp;<br>
    &nbsp;<br>
    I agree with those who want to remove all references to&nbsp;<br>
    stalling from the definition of the maneuver.&nbsp;<br>
    &nbsp;<br>
    The model must depart (break away) from all three&nbsp;<br>
    axes. Saying that the first departure must be separated&nbsp;<br>
    from the other two does not make good sense to me.&nbsp;<br>
    &nbsp;<br>
    Demonstrating the kind of &quot;stall&quot; that leads to a&nbsp;<br>
    spin entry is very different from the assymetric stall&nbsp;<br>
    required for autorotation--at least in my own understanding&nbsp;<br>
    of what accelerated stalls are like.&nbsp;<br>
    &nbsp;<br>
    &nbsp; Marty&nbsp;<br>
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