<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><P>Don,</P>
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<P>I was trying to digest Jerry and Chris e-mails and drink 2 cups of coffee to wake up. I am very glad to read your e-mail. </P>
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<P>My question is: Why pattern snap roll description is so similar to IMAC and IAC? It is clear after reading Jerry and Chris e-mails that we should change it. It is too early and I could be wrong as usual. <BR><BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Don Ramsey" <don.ramsey@suddenlink.net><BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:35:19 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] How I became an expert Snap Judge (TIC)<BR><BR>I think part of our problem is the snap we define is not necessarily the<BR>snap the full scale pilots define. We need to fly to our definition and<BR>call it what we wish. Maybe get rid of the snap name! Judges should score<BR>the maneuver based on the pattern definition and not some definition they<BR>believe is correct. This applies to all the maneuvers in pattern. The name<BR>of a maneuver should have no bearing on how it is flown or judged. A good<BR>example of this is our definition of a snap into a spin. Maybe it's not a<BR>snap but it is what WE call it and the downgrade based on our definition is<BR>10 points. Real pilots and IMAC have nothing to do with pattern unless we<BR>want to change our focus.<BR><BR>Don<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Martin X.<BR>Moleski, SJ<BR>Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:39 AM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] How I became an expert Snap Judge (TIC)<BR><BR>Budd Engineering wrote:<BR><BR>> ... The bottom line is this: we're not<BR>> stalling the wing when we do our snaps, not even a portion of it (unless<BR>> you're VERY low on airspeed at entry such as a spin).<BR><BR>And if you're doing a stall that slow, even if you do manage<BR>to get a "real" snap out of it, you're going to be downgraded<BR>for having your exit line below the entry line (I surmise).<BR><BR>> ... So the bigger question is should emulating a full-scale snap roll be a<BR>> pattern judging criterion or do we even care?<BR><BR>Departure in all three axes seems right to me: pitch, yaw, roll.<BR><BR>"If it's not a roll and it's not a barrel roll, then it's a snap roll."<BR><BR>I think the NSRCA should commission the fellow with the high-def<BR>cameras to do instruction tapes with real pilots flying maneuvers<BR>that the judging team judges to be "right." That might help.<BR><BR>> OK, it's really, really late out here on the left coast, I've gotta get<BR>> to bed. Shoot away.<BR><BR><BLAM!><BR><BR> Marty<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <BR>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.14/2433 - Release Date: 10/13/09<BR>13:25:00<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR></P></div></body></html>