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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Right on!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith
Black<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question (warning 3 letter
word)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I know the USA centric thinkers won't like this, but I think
we should stay consistent with the FAI descriptions of the maneuver. Like it or
not RC Aerobatics is not that big of a pond. Why in the AMA (all one or two
hundred of us active Pattern fliers) do we have to have our own definitions?
Many countries ONLY fly FAI. It's cool that the AMA has it's own classes,
sequences, even event rules, but why have our own maneuver descriptions? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Seems to me that we just create confusion for judges and
pilots alike when we have different maneuver descriptions from the rest of the
world. If we feel a description is poorly defined why not appeal to the FAI?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Keith Black<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:16 PM, <<a
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>"Maneuvers should be easy to
judge and hard to fly.</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>" An old and excellent concept!<br>
<br>
We have been working on describing a snap and judging them for lots of
years.<br>
Descriptions are pretty good. Judging consistently and accurately
is still not good.<br>
Guess we need to keep working on it, not that we have not been trying.<br>
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In the meantime, do we continue using maneuvers with snaps, knowing the judging
is likely inconsistent? There is an argument to be made; they need
to stay in schedules so pilots and judges can practice them.<br>
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While practice goes on another X years, round scores continue to be heavily
influenced by the scores on high K snap maneuvers. We could fix most of
that, by assigning a low K to snap maneuvers. Got a better
idea?<br>
<br>
Ron Lockhart<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "John Ferrell" <<a href="mailto:jferrell13@triad.rr.com"
target="_blank">jferrell13@triad.rr.com</a>><br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 12:04:51 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I have always felt that if you cannot get consistent judging on a
maneuver it should no be in the sequence...</span><span style='font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Maneuvers should be easy to judge and hard to fly.</span><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>John Ferrell W8CCW<br>
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"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of
justice is no virtue."<br>
-Barry Goldwater<br>
"You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note."<br>
-Doug Floyd</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" target="_blank" title="bob@toprudder.com">Bob
Richards</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:11 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>It is unfortunate that we sometimes have to
"adjust" our flying to give the judges what they are looking for,
even if what they are looking for may be wrong. Unfortunately
I always had difficulty doing that. :-(<o:p></o:p></p>
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Bob R.<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Thu, 10/8/09, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <i><<a
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net" target="_blank">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>></i></b>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Don,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>If
the plane skid into the wind the lines can not be exactly vertical and
horizontal as described by both AMA and FAI. Therefore, I am not
sure how the 2 FAI pilots could be correct. I guess that I
have to follow your recommendation to get better scores. <br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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