<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">As I stated, USA centric thinkers won't like the idea. </font></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">I’d like to challenge some of the replies.</font></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font color="#330099" size="3" face="Calibri">>> The FAI folks have no interest in our problems or solutions, they have troubles of their own.</font></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Their problems ARE our problems. We’re talking about Snaps, not take-off and landing, forced advancement, sequence design etc. What I’m reading in this thread is that no-one to date in the history of competitive aviation has successfully described a snap? Really? We can’t share a definition with IMAC, IAC or even Pattern fliers in the rest of the world? Forgive me for being a bit skeptical about this attitude. Even if the FAI definition isn’t ideal, do we really need our own “different” definition?</font></p>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font color="#330099"><font size="3" face="Calibri">>> We have a better game in the US than exists on an international level.</font></font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">I'm a patriotic guy, but this type of statement is what makes the USA so popular around the rest of the world.</font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font color="#330099" size="3" face="Calibri">>> I will also add that the vast majority of the pattern pilots on the US (far greater than 200???) will never fly FAI.</font></p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"> </font><font size="3" face="Calibri">True, but the majority of pattern fliers will regularly judge FAI. And might I add they will judge and fly snaps in alternating rounds with different rules criteria. How is this beneficial?</font></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"> </font><font size="3" face="Calibri">Furthermore, even if most pilots don’t advance to FAI, why not have a system so those that DO move to FAI have a smooth transition?</font></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Keith Black</font></p><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Bob Richards <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">bob@toprudder.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I will also add that the vast majority of the pattern pilots on the US (far greater than 200???) will never fly FAI. Why be content to follow when we may be able to lead by example.</div>
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<div><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 10/12/09, John Ferrell <i><<a href="mailto:jferrell13@triad.rr.com" target="_blank">jferrell13@triad.rr.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">The FAI folks have no interest in our problems or solutions, they have troubles of their own. Our representation to the FAI process is tiny. They are slow to react and even slower to admit there may be a problem. If you get the opportunity to watch a FAI conducted event, be very critical of the judging, the outcome as well as the elements. We have a better game in the US than exists on an international level. </font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">It is not necessary to ignore their rules but we need to take advantage of the opportunity to improve and adjust where practical. </font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">More consistent judging and fewer ambiguous rules are especially important goals. </font></div>
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<div>John Ferrell W8CCW<br> <br>"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."<br>-Barry Goldwater<br>"You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note."<br>
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<div>I know the USA centric thinkers won't like this, but I think we should stay consistent with the FAI descriptions of the maneuver. Like it or not RC Aerobatics is not that big of a pond. Why in the AMA (all one or two hundred of us active Pattern fliers) do we have to have our own definitions? Many countries ONLY fly FAI. It's cool that the AMA has it's own classes, sequences, even event rules, but why have our own maneuver descriptions? </div>
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<div>Seems to me that we just create confusion for judges and pilots alike when we have different maneuver descriptions from the rest of the world. If we feel a description is poorly defined why not appeal to the FAI?</div>
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<div>Keith Black</div>
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