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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree! We’ve tried to make judging too complicated with too
many conditions. It’s impossible to consider every facet of a flight in the
upper classes especially.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Make it simple stupid!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J N
Hiller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed rule change<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Excuse
me if I take this off subject a little.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The
hardest part about judging is trying to adhere to complex rules that often
require excessive clarification, which often applies only to that specific
scenario. Flying pattern is all about guiding your aircraft along an invisible
line in the sky dictated by the required maneuver geometry and positioning.
Most of the time wind corrected flight is required to accomplish this. Our
skill, or lack of, should be based on our ability to quid our aircraft along
that invisible line rather than anticipating pending wind drift that often
changes substantially in heading and velocity during a single flight, heck
sometimes we even get caught in a rain shower. It's not complicated, just
follow that invisible line no matter what.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim
Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle23><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Ramsey<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed rule change</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>What do you guys think of this rule change for stall turns?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>In the Judge’s Guide Page RCA 20 of Regulations under “Stall
Turns”: </span></u><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;line-height:200%'><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:200%;color:black'>Change 1.. Lines must
have exactly vertical and horizontal flight paths. To</span></u><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:200%'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>1. Horizontal lines must be wings level and parallel to the
flight line. On entry vertical lines must be wind corrected to establish a
vertical track. The wind corrected attitude of the model must not be changed
as the stall is approached and any wind drift is not cause for downgrade unless
the model drifts out of the maneuvering area.</span></u><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;line-height:200%'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:200%;color:black'> </span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:200%'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>In the maneuver descriptions under “Figure M with or without
Rolls” </span></u><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Change downgrade 1 from “</span></u><u><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'>Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls and stall
turns” to</span></u><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'> </span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>1.</span></u><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>
Horizontal and vertical lines must be flown as described under “Stall Turns” in
the Judge’s Guide above.</span></u><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'> </span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>In the maneuver descriptions under “Stall Turns with or without
Rolls” </span></u><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Change downgrade 3 from “</span></u><u><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:black'>Model track not vertical at start and finish of rolls and
stall turn” to</span></u><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'> </span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>3. Horizontal and vertical lines must be flown as described under
“Stall Turns” in the Judge’s Guide above.</span></u><u><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'> </span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Here’s the logic behind the change:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Once a crosswind becomes stronger than the speed of the model the
model can no longer maintain a vertical track even if turned 90 degrees into
that wind. Stall turns flown as described in the changes always score better
with the majority of judges. This change brings the stall turn in line with
the spin in allowing some wind drift of the model as it slows and provides a
much more consistent judging standard.</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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