<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thanks Glen. That whole presentation is very nice. Maybe if I study it, I can gain a point or two.<div><br></div><div>Jim O<br><div><div>On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:24 AM, Glen Watson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName">
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<div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">There’s a picture here <a href="http://nsrca.us/documents/judging/currentamaschedules/PPT_Masters2009.pdf">http://nsrca.us/documents/judging/currentamaschedules/PPT_Masters2009.pdf</a>
in the PowerPoint slide deck of the Masters sequence in the judging area
on the NSRCA web site.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial">Glen Watson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial"><a href="http://glenwatson.blogspot.com/">http://glenwatson.blogspot.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style="font-weight:
bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Don Ramsey<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 08, 2009
10:07 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> '<st1:personname w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:personname>'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
basic judging question</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The picture of the hourglass was in the
Judging Manual at one time. Don is correct as are you that the only line
through center is the downline with the 2 of 4.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:personname w:st="on">James Oddino</st1:personname><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 08, 2009
8:26 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <st1:personname w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:personname><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
basic judging question<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Then the judge must know how much of the 1/4 loop must be before center
and how much after. I submit that none know unless they have computed the
answer beforehand. And even if they knew the answer it would be
impossible to judge accurately. And I guess that first 1/4 loop
establishes the radii of all the corners. Let's face it judging is
subjective.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Jim O<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Oct 8, 2009, at 5:27 PM, <a href="mailto:AtwoodDon@aol.com">AtwoodDon@aol.com</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Your assumption is correct. You
must pull slightly before reaching center on the inbound side and push slightly
before center on exit to make the 2 45 degree uplines match. You only
cross 'center' on the downline in the knife edge portion of the 2 of 4.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Don<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">In a message dated 10/8/2009 5:17:20 P.M.
Pacific Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>
writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Anyone got a drawing of the center of an Hour Glass? I'm assuming
the <br>
plane only goes through it once.<br>
<br>
Jim<br>
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