<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><font face="Arial" size="2">"Maneuvers should be easy to judge and hard to
fly.</font>" An old and excellent concept!<br><br>We have been working on describing a snap and judging them for lots of years.<br>Descriptions are pretty good. Judging consistently and accurately is still not good.<br>Guess we need to keep working on it, not that we have not been trying.<br><br>In the meantime, do we continue using maneuvers with snaps, knowing the judging is likely inconsistent? There is an argument to be made; they need to stay in schedules so pilots and judges can practice them.<br><br>While practice goes on another X years, round scores continue to be heavily influenced by the scores on high K snap maneuvers. We could fix most of that, by assigning a low K to snap maneuvers. Got a better idea?<br><br>Ron Lockhart<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "John Ferrell" <jferrell13@triad.rr.com><br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 12:04:51 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I have always felt that if you cannot get
consistent judging on a maneuver it should no be in the sequence...</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Maneuvers should be easy to judge and hard to
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">John Ferrell W8CCW<br> <br>"Extremism in
defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no
virtue."<br>-Barry Goldwater<br>"You don't get harmony when everybody sings the
same note."<br>-Doug Floyd<br></font></div>
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<div>It is unfortunate that we sometimes have to "adjust" our flying to
give the judges what they are looking for, even if what they are looking
for may be wrong. Unfortunately I always had
difficulty doing that. :-(</div>
<div><br>Bob R.</div>
<div><br>--- On <b>Thu, 10/8/09, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <i><<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net" target="_blank">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>></i></b>
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<div>Don,</div>
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<div>If the plane skid into the wind the lines can not be exactly
vertical and horizontal as described by both AMA and FAI.
Therefore, I am not sure how the 2 FAI pilots could be
correct. I guess that I have to follow your
recommendation to get better scores. <br><br>Vicente
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