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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle59><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bob I
agree there is a need for rules clarification. I checked AMA's change proposal
calendar and found a cutoff date of September 30 of 'Year One'. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle59><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/search.aspx?query=rULES+CHANGE+CYCLE">http://www.modelaircraft.org/search.aspx?query=rULES+CHANGE+CYCLE</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Contest Board
Procedures Changes_v2final.pdf - Posted on: 11/17/2008</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>page 18</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I became curious
as to what the rule actually stated for the Figure M and found that in the
maneuver description the track is clearly spelled out.</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=Default><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Figure M with or without Rolls: </span></font></b><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Model pulls up into one-quarter (1/4)
loop to a vertical track, hesitates then performs prescribed roll, hesitates
then executes a stall turn through 180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed
roll, hesitates then executes one-half (1/2) outside loop to vertical track,
hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates, executes a stall turn through
180 degrees, hesitates, performs prescribed roll, hesitates then recovers with
another one-quarter (1/4) loop to level flight. Direction of rolls and stall
turns are pilot’s option. The length of the vertical segments is not a judging
criterion. Downgrades: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=Default><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>1. </span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Model not vertical at start and finish of rolls and
stall turns. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=Default><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2. </span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Stall turns not exactly 180 degrees. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=Default><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>3. </span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Model does not execute prescribed rolls. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=Default><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>4. </span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Rolls not centered in vertical lines. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=Default><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>5. </span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bottom of outside half loop not at same altitude as
entry and exit. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=Default><b><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>6. </span></font></b><font size=2><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Loop segments not the same size and radius. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:bold'>7.</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Pendulum movement after stalls.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This got me curious
so out came the old rulebooks.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1992-93 had a
figure M with half rolls and this description. "Model pulls up into a
vertical <u>attitude</u>, -----" the first downgrade was "Model not
vertical at start and finish of rolls and stall turn"</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1994-95 changed the
description to. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>"Model pulls up
into a vertical <u>track</u>, -----" However the maneuver downgrade "Model
not vertical at start and finish of rolls and stall turn" didn't change.
This discrepancy remained through the last rulebook I have (2002-2004 and is
with us today.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>These apparent
conflicts have been with us a while.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think it is
generally accepted that wind correction overrides general maneuver description
unless stated otherwise. The mention of 180 degree rotation can probably be
eliminated, superceded by the requirement to display a wind corrected vertical
down line. A 180 degree rotation in a crosswind immediately brought back to a wind
corrected down line would be rather ugly, however on occasion I have stalled
down wind exceeding 180 degrees to prevent a 2-3 wingspan offset resulting from
excessive up line wind correction.</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim Hiller</span></font><font
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Richards<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 07, 2009
10:13 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
basic judging question</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=inherit><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black'>What you said is
exactly how I remember the judging discussion presented at the Youth Masters
re: IMAC stall turns. And I remember thinking to myself that this is not the
way we did it in pattern in the '90s. Oh, well, I did not want this to turn
into a pattern vs IMAC discussion again. :-\</span></font><font color=black
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=inherit><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black'>Getting back to my
original question, I think the stall turn should be wind corrected as much as
possible through the stall turn itself. However, that is not how the maneuver
description is written for the Figure M or the Double Stall Turn. The
language used for the regular Stall Turn w/ or w/o Rolls should be
duplicated, IMHO.</span></font><font color=black face=inherit><span
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 10/7/09, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
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From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward@baesystems.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 11:02 AM</span></font><font color=black
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<div id=yiv1308593444>Bill – I can see where the confusion is - as I
perfectly relayed the information as taught in the SE judging seminar and
confirmed in the practical judging practice held on Sundays. The IMAC
judging committee interprets the definition to mean that the attitude
(fuselage) must be in the vertical plane during the rotation. They
further back this up by stating that if the plane were to be in the
“wind-corrected” attitude (not perfectly vertical) during the rotation, that
it would be subject to the 0.5 pt per 5 degree rule. I’ve been in the
room 3 times when Wayne M. has explained this and answered many questions from
it.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>Lots of discussion took place over this in the judging
seminar. Basically they are teaching that for “yaw” you can remain wind
corrected, but for the pitch axis, you must be in the vertical plane.
Sorry if this seems to contradict the rule, but this is what is being taught
and practiced in the South East. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>I think it looks funny, and I would prefer for the
interpretation to allow “wind-correction” for any time, but I must fly what
they teach as the scoring criteria SE. On the other hand, I would love
to know if this has changed as well.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span></font><font color=black><span
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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color:black'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bill's Email<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 07,
2009 9:48 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
basic judging question</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
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color:black'>Woodward, Jim (US SSA) wrote: </span></font><font color=black><span
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>However, this dovetails into the recent IMAC &
Pattern comparison threads. In IMAC, the plane is supposed to be
brought into the “vertical plane” prior to the stall-turn(pivot) taking
place. This is mostly evident if you are flying in a strong headwind
where you are wind correcting the vertical line. Just prior to the
stall turn, the pilot hast to pitch the plane into the vertical plane, then
yaw around the pivot, then return to the wind corrected down line.</span></font><font
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face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> Not
sure where you got this about IMAC, but it is incorrect. This may be the
cause of your confusion (from Rule 8.5):<br>
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The wings must remain in the vertical geometric plane throughout the
turnaround, and the aircraft‘s attitude before and after the turnaround must
be absolutely vertical (unless wind correction is required), with no
extraneous tail movement. There must be no rotation around the pitch or roll
axis. If there is movement around any axis other than the yaw axis, often
referred as "torquing" (Fig. 25), there is a deduction of 0.5
points per 5 degrees of axis.<br>
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At no time in IMAC is the actual attitude of the plane judged, it is ALWAYS
the track of the theoretical center of mass. You are not required to alter
the pitch of the plane at the point if the rotation starts if the pitch
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