<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">
<style>
<!--a:link
{mso-style-priority:99;}
span.MSOHYPERLINK
{mso-style-priority:99;}
a:visited
{mso-style-priority:99;}
span.MSOHYPERLINKFOLLOWED
{mso-style-priority:99;}
p
{mso-style-priority:99;}
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Brush Script MT";
panose-1:3 6 8 2 4 4 6 7 3 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p
{margin-right:0in;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black;}
pre
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";
color:black;}
span.EmailStyle18
{font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle19
{font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle20
{font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle22
{font-family:Arial;
color:navy;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
</head>
<body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Didn’t we go through this last year?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We also now have a new web site that use a
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>CMS</span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> (Jooma)
and a database (MySQL). Why not use them?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p><b><i><font size=4 color=black face="Brush Script MT"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Brush Script MT";font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>Jay Marshall</span></font></i></b> </p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Stuart Chale<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'>September 25, 2009</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>2:48 PM</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'>General pattern discussion</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More Pattern vs IMAC</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have been playing with
their software "score" It is available from the IMAC
site. The program produces the reports in the same format that you see on
the site as well as the standings sheet that you would post at a contest
(same format). I think this works so well because everyone uses the same
software. The full contest results including individual scores etc were
on the site 2 days after the contest. The software is easy to use and
with the individual maneuver scores posted allows you to recreate the contest
or a round to see "what if" I didn't 0 the spin or flop the
stall turn. How would the results have changed. (Yes I admit it I
did that. I got a 0 on a few spins). I have not played with
PACSS in along time so I do not know if it produces the same output.<br>
The results are output onto several html pages (already formatted) that
can be just uploaded to our site with an HTML page listing the contests linking
to the results as they have done. <br>
Here is a test that I did with 2 flyers entered into the Score program.
IMAC has 2 sequences per flight but the software can output 1 or 2. <br>
The contest results page would have a link to this page (just a test) <a
href="http://angelsonly.com/scoretest/report_results.html">http://angelsonly.com/scoretest/report_results.html</a><br>
>From there you can click on individual pilots etc. I am not sure if
the regional point leaders are done manually or automatically.<br>
<br>
Stuart<br>
<br>
Derek Koopowitz wrote: </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Rather than forcing each CD to use the same scoring software all we need to do is come up with a standard reporting format that we can use to upload data and then the various
scoring programs can be modified to create this data file and for the CD to
send it to a central location.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;
border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gene Maurice<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 25, 2009
10:21 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More Pattern vs IMAC<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u5:p><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></u5:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>PACSS
already creates a couple of different export files, individual contestant
results an contest results in csv format. It also has the capability of
uploading to a web site. Currently it uploads the entire database to an FTP
directory on the PACSS web site. <u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>BTW,
AMA number is the key in the system <u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;
border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Atwood, Mark<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 25, 2009
11:36 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More Pattern vs IMAC<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u5:p><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></u5:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>This
is actually a pretty amazing site and we would do extremely well to try and
pursue something like this. I have to believe that Jim could create
the export file from PACSS very easily…the trick will be how that gets
uploaded. We would need to use AMA numbers as a unique ID for each Pilot
so we don’t end up with 4 misspellings of the same person, but that would
be simple<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The
best part is all the data that would be available to the pilot. National
and regional averages on a maneuver by maneuver basis. It would be nice
for analyzing your own scores.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The
contest registration could be huge too, though I can see the downside in that a
contest that has poor early registration, may end up with even less attendance
since that might dissuade even more from coming, but overall it would be a
tremendous asset.<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:p> </u5:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;
border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Keith Black<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 25, 2009
11:37 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
More Pattern vs IMAC<u5:p></u5:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u5:p><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></u5:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>That is awesome! I wonder if we could borrow some of the
technology from them to do that for pattern?</span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at
8:57 AM, Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale@optonline.net"
moz-do-not-send=true>schale@optonline.net</a>> wrote:</span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I love the way the question
I posed about adding an unkown to pattern has morphed into multiple topics,
currently world championship judging :)<br>
<br>
One other nice idea that IMAC has implemented is in their contest management
software. As a member of the web team I would love to see us be able to
do something similar (I have no idea what is involved). I am sure this
feature brings a lot more use to their website than we get. Like we have,
all of their contests are listed from their website. However you can sign
up for any contest in a uniform manner. Some of our districts did or does
have this feature but it is not uniformly implemented. You can also see
who is registered for a contest, how many people are going, how many in each
class, etc. Once the contest is complete the scoring program that they
use generates a report that gets uploaded to the web as results for that
contest. This is a very interesting feature. Final results with
round scores including dropped rounds etc are posted. If you click on
your name or any pilot you will see all of their individual scores for the
contest. No need to rummage through scoring sheets to find yours.
You can see how you scored in each maneuver through the contest or
compared to other fliers.<br>
An example of their contest results page.<br>
<a
href="http://www.mini-iac.com/Regions/NorthCentral/NCContestResults/tabid/101/Default.aspx"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>http://www.mini-iac.com/Regions/NorthCentral/NCContestResults/tabid/101/Default.aspx</a><br>
<br>
Stuart<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=true>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send=true>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><u5:p><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></u5:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>No virus found in this incoming
message.<br>
Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>
Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2392 - Release Date: 09/25/09
05:51:00</span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center' wrap=""><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>
<hr size=4 width="90%" align=center>
</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________</span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>NSRCA-discussion mailing list</span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></pre></div>
</body>
</html>