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<DIV>Yes, the half roll should last thru the half loop and you need to be at
knife-edge at the bottom of the center half loop.</DIV>
<DIV>Don</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 9/23/2009 6:55:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
vicenterc@comcast.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am
behind. Does the fully integrated half roll has to cover the
complete 1/2 loop on bottom? Therefore, the wings needs to be at 45
degrees in the lower point? <BR><BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Jim Woodward (US SSA)"
<jim.woodward@baesystems.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 23,
2009 1:40:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<BR>Subject: Re:
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Dave,</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
was falling back to the position that all rolls in a maneuver have to match
roll rates (excluding point rolls). It would be easier to perform the
maneuver if the ½ roll integrated in the ½ loop does not have to match the
other roll rates.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Dave<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'General pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
M</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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don’t believe there is a requirement (in FAI) for the rate of the ½ roll to
match the rate of the 1/4rolls.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:29
PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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will also be difficult to match the roll-rates of the non-point roll
elements.</SPAN></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>J
Shu<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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specified, chose the way you prefer</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>General pattern
discussion</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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September 23, 2009 1:13 PM</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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[NSRCA-discussion] M</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I need a little
help understanding the correct execution of the # 1 Maneuver in
P-11.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The Aresti shows
the model approaching from the left. As the first radius is completed and
the model assumes a vertical track,</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the requirement
is to execute 3 points of a 4 point roll centered on the upline with
the stall turn executed at the apex of the line.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Due to the fact
that I like to present the canopy to the judges on the stall I will roll
left on the upline (trust me, I can do it either way</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">and I realize
there is no mandate, it's just my own aesthetic
preference).</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Now comes the
sticky wicket,......on the down line I will be rolling to the right in
preparation for the entry radius into the integrated</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1/2 outside. The
fact that the 1/4 roll was also centered on the downline will display that
outside preparation position for the 1/2 </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">duration of the
downline. My question is: .........as I enter the bottom radius and start my
roll, is there a roll direction requirement?</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If I roll LEFT
(which will present the canopy) the judges could easily become confused and
think that I'm doing an inside 1/2 loop</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">at
the bottom, which is really not the case as I had to push to initiate
the 1/2 loop. If I roll to the RIGHT the last 1/2 of the loop looks
</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">like an inside
1/2 loop. So, I guess my basic question is, am I free to roll according
to my whim? </SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I was unable to
find any written FAI maneuver descriptions on our site. Is there a link that
I'm missing? </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks
Guys,</SPAN></P></DIV>
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