<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>The wings are knife-edge at the bottom. </div><div><br></div><div>Arch<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:55 PM, "Vicente \"Vince\" Bortone" <<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000">I am behind. Does the fully integrated half roll has to cover the complete 1/2 loop on bottom? Therefore, the wings needs to be at 45 degrees in the lower point? <br><br>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Jim Woodward (US SSA)" <<a href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com">jim.woodward@baesystems.com</a>><br>To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:40:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] M<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Thanks Dave,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I was falling back to the position that all rolls in a maneuver have to match roll rates (excluding point rolls). It would be easier to perform the maneuver if the ½ roll integrated in the ½ loop does not have to match the other roll rates.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] M</span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I don’t believe there is a requirement (in FAI) for the rate of the ½ roll to match the rate of the 1/4rolls.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Regards,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Woodward, Jim (US SSA)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] M</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It will also be difficult to match the roll-rates of the non-point roll elements.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J Shu<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] M</span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">roll direction is not specified, chose the way you prefer</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:13 PM</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I need a little help understanding the correct execution of the # 1 Maneuver in P-11.</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The Aresti shows the model approaching from the left. As the first radius is completed and the model assumes a vertical track,</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">the requirement is to execute 3 points of a 4 point roll centered on the upline with the stall turn executed at the apex of the line.</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Due to the fact that I like to present the canopy to the judges on the stall I will roll left on the upline (trust me, I can do it either way</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Now comes the sticky wicket,......on the down line I will be rolling to the right in preparation for the entry radius into the integrated</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">duration of the downline. My question is: .........as I enter the bottom radius and start my roll, is there a roll direction requirement?</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If I roll LEFT (which will present the canopy) the judges could easily become confused and think that I'm doing an inside 1/2 loop</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">like an inside 1/2 loop. So, I guess my basic question is, am I free to roll according to my whim? </span> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I was unable to find any written FAI maneuver descriptions on our site. Is there a link that I'm missing? </span></p></div>
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